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2012 US Presidential Election
zherok:
Defense jobs as some sort of moral high ground seems a pretty shitty version of Keynesian economics. I think we'd be better off with the proverbial digging holes and filling them back in. Or more practically, focusing on infrastructure rebuilding. Building widgets that kill people just to keep someone employed is aiming rather low.
jaybug:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on October 30, 2012, 11:32:10 PM ---To answer your question jaybug, college doesn't cost money, it generates tax. College graduate make a lot more money and pay far far more taxes than drop-outs. I'm sure it's a notion you will never admit because it would violate your political allegiances, but there is such a thing as places where the government can invest with would be both socially and economically beneficial.
And btw the "making bomb creates jobs" rhetoric is laughable. What don't you realize that schools hire people too and these jobs are a lot cheaper that people manufacturing shits designed to kill whoever the right wants to see dead?
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So we will need pHDs to fix our cars? Sounds like a bargain, not.
Good thing I wasn't using "making bombs creates jobs." Making bombs, making bullets, making MREs, making the uniforms, hats, gloves etc etc etc make paychecks. So cut military spending all you want, go ahead. Put millions of people out of work, aside from the veterans. Call it a stimulus plan while you are at it. Tell the Big Lie.
Aw, what the hell, there's always Soylent Green.
Well, I don't know about your universities, but the one I work/attend has garnered some good sized DoD contracts. It's call neuroscience. Better cut those out of the DoD's budget too! We can always raise tuition, right?
I am not telling you my hopes, but what is happening right now! I would prefer fixing up the roads, but we all know that we won't fix the roads when we can build sexy light rail to nowhere instead! They're doing it in California with Uncle Obama's money right now. Or, instead of freeway improvements, the money will go for bike lanes.
Why is it so impossible to have bicyclists pay for some of the shit they want?
Actually I would be happy if we could get government to stop deferring maintenance. It costs so much more when it fails catastrophically later.
But we need to fix our tax code, our retirement, and stuff, otherwise all we will be accomplishing is polishing turds.
zherok:
You know they teach auto-mechanics at college, right? My father was one. Hell, he worked AT the local community college.
No one even called for PHDs. Obama suggested at least a year of higher education, which is a bit short of earning your PHD last I checked.
And what is with your "if you don't agree with me, you obviously mean this long list of extremes that no one even brought up" angle? Who called for cutting the military budget entirely? How does not opting for another carrier equal cutting funding for neuroscience?
jaybug:
--- Quote from: zherok on October 31, 2012, 03:08:44 AM ---You know they teach auto-mechanics at college, right? My father was one. Hell, he worked AT the local community college.
No one even called for PHDs. Obama suggested at least a year of higher education, which is a bit short of earning your PHD last I checked.
And what is with your "if you don't agree with me, you obviously mean this long list of extremes that no one even brought up" angle? Who called for cutting the military budget entirely? How does not opting for another carrier equal cutting funding for neuroscience?
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They used to teach auto mechanics in high school. Some of America's finest hot rods came from high school auto shops.
It takes a phD to turn a wrench in space.
As to your last paragraph, I'll tell you later. gotta go NOW>
Burkingam:
Oh god! jaybug are you actually gonna argue that graduating from college doesn't generally improve people's chances to find a good job? Now please, please continue. I don't expect you to change your mind but I will gladly see you make a fool of yourself by defending the undefendable.
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