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2012 US Presidential Election
Ixarku:
I have no idea what in the hell is going on in this thread anymore.
Lately, I've been trying to convince family members to not just blindly regurgitate anti-Obama propaganda without questioning the source of the information or at least trying to understand why parts of their information are suspicious at best, and discredited lies at worst. But I've failed, and I think it's time to give up. I think I've lost the last shreds of faith I still had in humanity.
jaybug:
--- Quote from: Ixarku on October 31, 2012, 10:08:25 AM ---I have no idea what in the hell is going on in this thread anymore.
Lately, I've been trying to convince family members to not just blindly regurgitate anti-Obama propaganda without questioning the source of the information or at least trying to understand why parts of their information are suspicious at best, and discredited lies at worst. But I've failed, and I think it's time to give up. I think I've lost the last shreds of faith I still had in humanity.
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lol I just stop at telling my mother that I will not vote for Obama. She is just the opposite of your family. What can you say to someone who truly believes that the opponent is the Great Adversary aka Satan?
Zherok, due to the limitations of space suits, any construction activities in space is severely limited. Look, did it take phD to build any of the tallest buildings inthe world? To build, I am not talking about design and engineering, just make the thing. Does it take a phD to build an aircraft carrier, nuclear submarine? Tell me anything that takes an advanced degree to make, please.
Now, the science experiments, I do appreciate an advanced degree. But it is possible to have undegreed people do advanced science. The 19th century was full of those people.
NASA does, because it can. It's called a 'buyer's market. They have the power, because no one else is in the game. As an example, my wife's daughter has an advanced degree, she also had to take on more schooling at very high price in London for even more, just to get a job working under a psycho nut job. She was able to get another job for someone else, but they fired her and replaced her with a man the next day. So now she is unemployed for most of this year. But she still has college debt equivalent to the price of a house in most places in America.
And you keep adding to all the things that the federal government should be paying for, make them entitlements, as if we can have free lunches forever! And include free breakfasts, and them being more than just continental breakfasts, and we get steak and lobster dinners free too! All we need to do is tax the fuck out of all the rich people to pay for it all! It's OUR money, not theirs.
FYI, according to Moneytalk's Bob Brinker, there are a lot of one-way tickets being sold in France after Hollande's win, and in California after Jerry Brown's new tax plan. Taking away more than 60% of someone's income really takes the incentive out of going to work every day.
zherok:
--- Quote from: jaybug on October 31, 2012, 01:20:39 PM ---Zherok, due to the limitations of space suits, any construction activities in space is severely limited. Look, did it take phD to build any of the tallest buildings inthe world? To build, I am not talking about design and engineering, just make the thing. Does it take a phD to build an aircraft carrier, nuclear submarine? Tell me anything that takes an advanced degree to make, please.
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You are under this strange impression that we've somehow advanced to the state in which space is both accessible enough and our technology developed enough that we can afford, or even require sending dedicated low-skill laborers into space. You may be disappointed to find out that this is not the case. As such, astronauts remain highly educated individuals who must be trained for multiple technical tasks, frequently in concert with scientific research.
Not that it matters in terms of employment, as there are all of a dozen or so astronauts at any one time. If this is a conspiracy, as you heavily implied earlier, it's a ridiculously narrow and useless one. And frankly the idea our astronauts are perpetuating degree inflation, as if the doctors, aeronautical engineers, and former fighter pilots that make up the current dozen (and the dozens that preceded them) were all frauds, is a load of shit.
As for your focus on manufacturing, I'm sure you're aware that most heavy construction is heavily automated, so as to who builds these things, ROBOTS DO. Humans are obviously employed on particular tasks and to quality check the end result, but you do not hand fucking craft a space station.
But let's talk about about those remaining jobs. The tasks required by humans in automobile manufacturing are highly specialized. They may not require a degree to fulfill, but I would argue that fitting car doors to the robot-constructed frames of cars or maintaining quality control for a highly automated assembly line might be outside the skill set that the average high school should really be expected to provide.
Furthermore, if you'd like to consider future-proofing, given the momentum of industrialization since it's inception, would you seriously bet that these are the sorts of jobs we'll be able to retain in the future, or should we perhaps focus on encouraging people into building and maintaining the devices that construct said vehicles in the first place?
jaybug:
Maybe after you join the workforce you'll understand. But for some reason I doubt it. And I am tired of your deliberately being obtuse, and saying thing I did not explicitly state.
http://www.opb.org/news/article/army-corps-wont-dredge-in-port-orford/?google_editors_pick s=true
Another example robbing Peter to pay Paul.
zherok:
--- Quote from: jaybug on October 31, 2012, 01:51:50 PM ---And I am tired of your deliberately being obtuse, and saying thing I did not explicitly state.
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Oh the irony...
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