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2012 US Presidential Election
zherok:
--- Quote from: jaybug on November 01, 2012, 09:36:40 PM ---You have got to be kidding me. Obama BELIEVES what he says? Really?
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Don't you have a space station to be building or something? Shit be easy, or so I've heard. Maybe they sell them in kits?
More seriously, yeah. I don't doubt his sincerity on gay rights, abortion, the use of diplomacy, or that you don't fix the economy by giving tax cuts to the class that mostly ends up saving it or stashing it away abroad. Speaking of which...
--- Quote ---Ace, so now you too have joined the know nothing intelligentsia, eh? Know the cost of everything, the value of nothing. I can't wait until we need a phD to change a burned out lamp.
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Yeah, he disagreed with you, so he's totally clueless now and in the tank for those damn elitists.
Or maybe he just has a better respect for astronauts than you. Maybe watching a video of a spacewalk doesn't suddenly qualify you to be one. I think this might be an area where you've managed to trump even Santorum. What even makes you think all they do is spin wrenches up there anyway?
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 01, 2012, 10:09:04 PM ---You have to admit though, compared to the last two fail candidates from the republican party Dole and McCain, Romney is shaping up to be pretty good.
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He's certainly run a more successful race (and indeed, could still win it.) I don't agree that he'd be a better president though.
I was 12 when Dole was running, so it's outta my frame of reference, but a McCain from 2000 would have been a much better candidate than what we got. It's unfortunate he didn't really come out of that election quite the same. But I think even now, if not for his age, he'd be much more level-headed than Romney is likely to be.
Nikkoru:
To be honest, I think Stewart is more emotionally drained by talking about election shit than anyone else. It comes from 2 stupefying years of campaigning, non-stop media coverage, and some truly epic bullshit.
We're at the point -- or have been at that point for a while now -- that everything gets on the nerves and you just want to watch the world burn.
Burkingam:
^Only 5 days to go before the election. We can almost see the light. Probably a mirage but...
Ixarku:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 01, 2012, 10:09:04 PM ---You have to admit though, compared to the last two fail candidates from the republican party Dole and McCain, Romney is shaping up to be pretty good.
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The best turd in the punch bowl is still a turd. Over the last few decades, the Republicans have had the rather remarkable ability to consistently put forward candidates that I can't stand. I think the best thing I can say about Dole, McCain, and Romney is that I never hated Dole because I didn't care enough about him in the first place. The last major Republican Presidential candidate that I actually liked was Bush # 1. I don't think he entirely deserved the bad rap he got. Of course, the Democrats have had plenty of duds, too.
Despite making the unbelievable gaff that was Palin, at least with McCain, you had an idea of where the man stood and what he believed in. With 'Romnesia', there's no point in listening to the words coming out of the man's mouth, as they will be different today from what they were yesterday and what they'll be tomorrow. Setting the issues themselves aside, it's OK to have a change of opinion once in a while, but I simply can't stand it when someone will say whatever it is he thinks his target audience wants to hear, regardless of how much it contradicts his past statements. Romney may have Romnesia, but that doesn't mean that the rest of us do, too.
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on November 01, 2012, 10:56:10 PM ---We're at the point -- or have been at that point for a while now -- that everything gets on the nerves and you just want to watch the world burn.
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I think that sums up my feelings quite well. I'm at the point where I want Romney to win -- if he somehow succeeds in making the U.S. better, well, fuck me, I'm man enough (most of the time) to admit when I'm wrong; if he fucks things up or at best is completely ineffectual as a President, then I'll have quite a lot of stuff to shove in the faces of every one of my conservative family members when 2016 rolls around.
I've been waffling on it, but I've mostly decided though, that apathy, disillusionment, and despair are going to win out for me this election. I don't really believe in my country's political system any longer, and I'm not going to participate in it this time, possibly not ever again.
Nikkoru:
I suspect that, had McCain been the nominee in 2000 the world in general would've been a better place. By 2008, regardless of what I thought of him personally, the Republicans had poisoned the well so thoroughly that it simply didn't matter what McCain said or did. Although, much to my regret, his more independent minded qualities -- that which was the basis of his core integrity and was what separated him from the chaff -- were so watered down by the Republican primaries and the Evangelicals that his "maverick" status seemed more like a cheesy pick-up line he gave to America. He lost, and he lost having been a sell-out.
Romney's virtue is that he's running against Obama, which appears to be sufficient for half the country. There's honestly nothing I can identify in him that I should give a shit about. As I've said, every detail which truly interests me is left intentionally vague and ponderous, it's truly difficult to be sufficiently invested to put forth the effort of actually disliking him. He's like the villain from Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol, I could probably tell you that there was one and some melodramatic reason why he must be stopped, but I couldn't for the life of me tell you what his deal was.
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