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2012 US Presidential Election
Burkingam:
Basically, if you really want your opinion to be taken into account more than "I vote center" or "I vote right", you have to become a member of a party and to participate to its internal discourse.
Ixarku:
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on November 07, 2012, 11:57:53 PM ---This and this pretty much explains all you need to know about the American political system.
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ROFL, two of my favorite Simpsons clips. I'd completely forgotten about those.
megido-rev.M:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on November 08, 2012, 12:18:42 AM ---Basically, if you really want your opinion to be taken into account more than "I vote center" or "I vote right", you have to become a member of a party and to participate to its internal discourse.
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The poll also has to finish ;D.
Lillymon:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 07, 2012, 10:53:07 PM ---I believe that if a candidate ran on truly conservative principles, in the classical liberalism sense of the word, they would win.
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What, like Barry Goldwater? The only (serious) candidate of recent years to actually try that? Even Reagan had to water down his rhetoric and talk about how great he was at working with the Democrats to score such huge victories. Believing your candidate lost because they weren't ideologically 'pure' enough is a sure ticket to further defeats. It's a conclusion people usually get to by confusing 'moderate' with 'uncharismatic'. There is such a thing as a charismatic moderate, and they tend to be big election winners when you can find them.
zherok:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 07, 2012, 10:53:07 PM ---Romney lost running as a milquetoast moderate.
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No, he lost trying to pretend he was and always had been a moderate only weeks before the election. But he wasn't, and never has.
Romney ran as a neo-con up until then, and that's what he is.
Whether a more ideologically pure conservative that doesn't drag regressive social policies along the ticket would do better remains to be seen, given how difficult a time he or she would have in the primaries.
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