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2012 US Presidential Election
Tiffanys:
The thing with Romney was, from the point of view of most Americans (that I've personally talked to):
* He'd just flip-flop to whatever was popular on any given day... that didn't inspire a lot of American trust.
* He had no real plan, or rather if he did, he refused to give any details. A sharp contrast to his opponent who at least ran on facts, even if not everyone particularly agreed with his plans, at least it was apparent they were tangible.
* He lied compulsively. It was almost insulting...
* He was never able to break the impression that he just wanted to help the rich (which I'm frankly not too sure wasn't just an impression).
And well... the few I've found that supported Romney were either bible thumpers or thought Obama was a terrorist (or just didn't want him because he was Black, or combinations thereof). You may think I'm kidding here, but in the rural deep south... well, let's just say that not all opinions have changed all that much since the Civil War.
The pure red states aren't just full of conservatives... they're mostly religious fundamentalists, and that's what makes them dangerous. If they were just conservative, then there would be some hope for these people. But since conservatism is heavily tied to religious fundamentalism, I'm afraid we won't be seeing the red states go anything but red any time soon.
And the Republicans running aren't any better. We don't have any real Republicans anymore. Conservatism has transitioned into a full blown god damn religious party. Motto: "If you aren't Christian, fuck you."
I mean if these Republicans really want a clue..? You didn't lose because you weren't fucking hardass enough. If Republicans ran with a traditional conservatism go-slow approach to governing that stressed the importance of continuity and social stability then chances are it'd have a really good chance of winning. But nowadays, it's just Tea Party extremists who call Democrats "Socialists," and at this point the reason for the public backlash is because it has become a soapbox for religious faith rather than political ideology.
Hell, there's an article that after googling it I feel like I'm nearly plagiarizing it...
--- Quote from: AceHigh on November 07, 2012, 07:00:51 PM ---By the way there is a true democratic progress within a US territory right now. Apparently Puerto Rico is holding a referendum where people vote if they want to become the 51st state, keep the status quo, or become completely independent. So far it looks like it swings towards it becoming a state, so if the US congress approves it, USA just might have to change their flag design again.
--- End quote ---
They've been on the verge of doing that for what seems like forever now... I doubt it'll actually happen any time soon. That is, unless something really bad happens that practically forces their hand.
jaybug:
A lot of talk about demographics here. Did anyone consider that Obama lost something like 20% of registered Democrats while he won? So it's like Romney got all the GOP votes, some independents, and the rest were Democrats?
So...are the Democrats going to purify their party as the GOP has been doing for the past decade and a 1/2? Maybe we'll get a viable third party yet!
Okay, so it shakes down to Obama can't do a scorched earth agenda as he did in his first two years. And it may be that Boehner got someone to sit on Grover Norquist to even talk about raising taxes and cutting loopholes. That or Boehner can do math, as well as rhetoric, to know that if you remove a tax "expenditure" that means that someone didn't have to spend a bunch of money chasing after a tax break.
For those who don't get it. I have a mortgage. I get the mortgage deduction. If I pay off the mortgage deduction, my taxes go up. BUT...I am not spending any money on a mortgage. So it obils down to I am paying a few hundred dollars more in taxes, but saving over $1,000 per month by not having a mortgage.
This applies to ALL tax loopholes aka tax expenditures.
Burkingam:
Yeah I'm all for taxing the churches. Talk about tax loopholes this one may very well be the biggest but the right would always defend it.
Also legalize and tax pot. BTW I know it didn't pass at the end but did you vote for marijuana legalization in your state, jaybug? That would also be a ton of money but once again something rednecks will oppose with all their might.
And cut the fucking military budget, once again the right are the biggest opponents.
And yes, raise the tax for the riches which.. Damn it's almost like republicans don't care about balancing the budget whatsoever as long as the state doesn't spend a penny to help the poors.
jaybug:
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stimulus/2012/nov/7/republicans-trade-conservatism-shibboleths/
I can't believe the Washington Times printed this bitch slap to the GOP. But the religious nuts still think they need to go and do EVEN MORE OF THE SAME! Hello? anyone home?
I'm not as much for taxing the churches, as I am in favor of doing something about how anybody and his dog can start one, and then get on tax free status. REGULATION!!!!! lol sigh
I voted for........ what was the question dude? lmao Hell I voted for legalizing Cannabis sativa and Cannabis indica! Even if I don't smoke it, maybe I would. But it's such a better fiber, and less chemically dependent plant to grow than cotton. That and we grow it here just fine, unlike cotton. Gee, maybe they'd even allow field burning again. Wouldn't that be a sight to see?
I don't know about raising taxes on the rich as much as we need to redefine our social contract, so that the disparity of incomes is not as insane as it currently stands. And I do not have a solution.
Nikkoru:
--- Quote from: jaybug on November 08, 2012, 05:30:45 AM ---http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stimulus/2012/nov/7/republicans-trade-conservatism-shibboleths/
I can't believe the Washington Times printed this bitch slap to the GOP. But the religious nuts still think they need to go and do EVEN MORE OF THE SAME! Hello? anyone home?
--- End quote ---
You see that as a bitch slap? It was yet another No True Scotsman Conservative apology for why Obama doesn't really represent America, and that he was simply the beneficiary of Republican tone deafness. Ultimately the argument goes that there's some pure ideology which if they'd adhered to everything would be hunky dory.
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