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2012 US Presidential Election
Nikkoru:
I can't tell if Florida is incompetent or corrupt. Those long lines are either rooted in intentional disenfranchisement efforts or are merely incidental to terrible planning with no specific malevolent ends.
I didn't understand the Florida situation in 2000 -- being 12 or so at the time -- but I think I get it now.
Burkingam:
--- Quote from: jaybug on November 08, 2012, 05:30:45 AM ---I don't know about raising taxes on the rich as much as we need to redefine our social contract, so that the disparity of incomes is not as insane as it currently stands. And I do not have a solution.
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Wow that's an extremely extremely liberal thing to say. I didn't expect it from you.
Monkeyfinger:
--- Quote from: Tiffanys on November 08, 2012, 07:04:04 AM ---They've had several... this is like their 4th one or something I think.
Also... Churches are pretty ridiculous to be honest... You see multi-million dollar churches usually every couple blocks. Usually 3 or 4 of them at a time... I mean, they have no need for such extravagance. They could use that money to help their communities instead.
If not taxes, maybe some kind of regulations on charitable foundations. Because if people take donations and use it to build palaces... should it really even be considered a charity? It's certainly not in line with proper charities. Maybe some kind of charitable organization regulations need to be put in place, if nothing else.
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Who really gives a crap what churches do with the money people willingly throw at them? We have 12 million people who can't find work, 45 million people on food stamps, and the highest poverty rate since like 1940. So if the economy is still in the shitter in 2016 will the democrats get another pass? Will everyone be too worried that the republicans are too rich, too white, too religious to hold office?
Burkingam:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 08, 2012, 08:54:57 PM ---Who really gives a crap what churches do with the money people willingly throw at them? We have 12 million people who can't find work, 45 million people on food stamps, and the highest poverty rate since like 1940. So if the economy is still in the shitter in 2016 will the democrats get another pass? Will everyone be too worried that the republicans are too rich, too white, too religious to hold office?
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It's not just that we are worried that republicans are too rich, too white and too religion it's also that they are the one who fucking caused this economical crisis to begin with and their so-called "plans" to fix the economy wouldn't do shit except grow the deficit even bigger than it already is.
As for what churches do with people money, I wouldn't give a fuck if they payed just as much tax as people who do something equivalent in a non-religious setting.
When an magician performs some magic tricks to an audience if his public then pays him money for it, he has to pay taxes on this money. Therefore if a preacher perform some religious tricks in his church and people throw their money has him he should pay taxes on it. Also every organisations tax on their properties but churches. Everyone pay taxes on their salary but ministers. Ministers even get a tax credit on the personal home they buy just because they are ministers. Isn't it great living in a multi-million dollars mansion like some mega-church ministers do and paying less taxes than a family living in a bungalow? Meanwhile if a church catches fire still have firefighters going there and saving the day on your dime. If you give tax exemption to churches to do the same things they would have to pay taxes for if it was done in a secular setting, in my book, it's called subsidizing religion and that's unacceptable.
zherok:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 08, 2012, 08:54:57 PM ---Who really gives a crap what churches do with the money people willingly throw at them?
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When people give tons of money to a church that then spends that money on political campaigns that actively seek to bar civil rights from citizens (as the Mormon church did in California with backing Prop 8 ) I think there's a pretty solid reason to give a crap.
Republicans will always find something more pressing than dealing with their reprehensible social stances. Just look how pressing the deficit was under Bush, and how conjoined the party of rape was with the deficit hawks in 2012. We could talk about the economy more if it weren't part and parcel with their social policies.
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