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2012 US Presidential Election
Monkeyfinger:
No no Jaybug you got it all wrong. Conservatives see a starving man and tell him to get a damn job (though there's a good chance he's schizophrenic). And coal mines? Face it, some people just aren't cut out for higher education. I supervise about 50 of them and for the most part they couldn't be happier doing the menial labor the company needs of them. The important thing to remember is that the company provides them with a livable wage, benefits, and a decent work environment. Not the government. And that is the problem with so many democrats. Ask a democrat "who creates jobs?" and the answer will invariably be "the government." With all their contempt for profits and love of regulations and taxes and public sector jobs, America's business environment is becoming more and more hostile.
Nikkoru:
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--- Quote from: Burkingam on November 09, 2012, 03:00:55 PM ---I'm surprised Canada isn't more on Romney's side considering who's in power right now.
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Take a look at this graph
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Not even Albertans are big fans of Romney.
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I still don't get why. What's so better of Harpor's policies compared to Romney's?
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You've got to account for the fact that the majority do not wholeheartedly support the Conservative agenda.-Once you break down Liberals, New Democrats, Bloc, Greens, assorted smaller parties, and people that voted for Harper for reasons less ideological, such as former Progressive Conservatives or the anti-Liberal crowd -- the figure of Harper partisans is something closer to >30% of the population. Furthermore even within that group, many perceive the Republicans as foolish, Evangelical, isolationist, war-mongers -- especially after Bush -- and don't want to return to the years of 02-08. While some would support the Republican economic philosophy, those issues of global geopolitics and American social values would turn off most self-declared Conservatives. They however, don't perceive Romney's values as being Harper's, partly because Harper did a far better job maintaining a layer of ambivalence about things like abortion and still claims to support social programs like Universal Health Care which they broadly support.
12% seems right -- actually I suspect it's a little smaller than that with regards to sharing Romney's politics -- a percentage of people here wouldn't support Obama for simply being President while Black
I'm most surprised by the number among the Greens, I figured it would be near NDP/Bloc territory and mostly be indicative of that person not knowing what they're responding about.
Ixarku:
--- Quote from: Monkeyfinger on November 10, 2012, 11:49:52 AM ---The important thing to remember is that the company provides them with a livable wage, benefits, and a decent work environment. Not the government. And that is the problem with so many democrats. Ask a democrat "who creates jobs?" and the answer will invariably be "the government." With all their contempt for profits and love of regulations and taxes and public sector jobs, America's business environment is becoming more and more hostile.
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What kind of Democrats are you talking to? All of my friends & family who are liberals don't say that at all. In fact, it's patently ridiculous. Maybe you're just being facetious, but you're mischaracterizing and over-generalizing. Liberals, at the least the ones I know, want government to curb the excesses of business -- keep business from deceiving or preying on consumers, prevent the business sector from doing reckless things like crash the economy, taking everyone's retirement accounts & investments with them. Nobody with half a brain wants to keep businesses from making money, but they do want business to make money in an ethical fashion. The liberals I know want to actually get something of value from regulations and taxes, not simply tax and regulate because we think people can't tie their shoelaces themselves. At least a few of us think that government can, in theory, still be a positive influence. Nobody I know expects the government to owe them a living.
I know conservatives/Republicans must get sick of being characterized as a bunch of gun-toting, Bible-thumping, Fox News-watching, abortion clinic-bombing hillbilly yokels. And liberals/Democrats get tired of being characterized as lazy pot-smoking college dropout business-hating, tax-and-spend, government-loving, living on welfare, Communist Socialist hippies. Sure there are people that fall into one or more of each of these stereotypes, but how about you do everyone a favor and stop repeating the stereotypes as if they're the only reality that exists.
Monkeyfinger:
--- Quote from: Ixarku on November 10, 2012, 12:27:09 PM ---What kind of Democrats are you talking to? All of my friends & family who are liberals don't say that at all. In fact, it's patently ridiculous. Maybe you're just being facetious, but you're mischaracterizing and over-generalizing. Liberals, at the least the ones I know, want government to curb the excesses of business -- keep business from deceiving or preying on consumers, prevent the business sector from doing reckless things like crash the economy, taking everyone's retirement accounts & investments with them. Nobody with half a brain wants to keep businesses from making money, but they do want business to make money in an ethical fashion. The liberals I know want to actually get something of value from regulations and taxes, not simply tax and regulate because we think people can't tie their shoelaces themselves. At least a few of us think that government can, in theory, still be a positive influence. Nobody I know expects the government to owe them a living.
I know conservatives/Republicans must get sick of being characterized as a bunch of gun-toting, Bible-thumping, Fox News-watching, abortion clinic-bombing hillbilly yokels. And liberals/Democrats get tired of being characterized as lazy pot-smoking college dropout business-hating, tax-and-spend, government-loving, living on welfare, Communist Socialist hippies. Sure there are people that fall into one or more of each of these stereotypes, but how about you do everyone a favor and stop repeating the stereotypes as if they're the only reality that exists.
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I'll do that when the democrats stop yapping about how they saved GM and how Obama created 2 million jobs.
Tiffanys:
I thought democrats said it was small business and a prosperous middle class that creates jobs?
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