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2012 US Presidential Election
sdedalus83:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on November 11, 2012, 10:03:48 PM ---The restaurant who sell oversize sodas is just as guilty of "distastefully" trying to force behaviors on its clients as the NYC who ban them. Again people are perfectly capable to buy several small sodas in a restaurant where they don't sell big ones. The difference is that they won't.
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Yeah, because it's really fucking convenient to buy several small fountain drinks when you're on the road/in a movie theater.
If you want to force a change in behavior, impose a luxury tax on meals which pass a certain caloric threshold. At least then you'd be encouraging the restaurant to change its menu. Banning fountain drinks larger than 16 ounces will just push these places to sell prepackaged drinks.
AceHigh:
Now look who is all morbidly pessimistic.
No, without social engineering there is a diversity, the beauty of the free market! I can choose to eat giant sized junk food, I can also choose to go to a restaurant for some traditional dinner, or I can go to gourmet restaurant and eat exclusive cuisine. The choices are many and in urban area they are vast.
Social engineering bans only remove choices and/or equalize them to the same boring shit. If you paint such a grim picture of "damned if you do, damned if you don't", it only tells much more about you as a person... or rather a puppet as you would have said it.
Bob2004:
No idea if it's been posted already, and I'm far too lazy to read back and check, but I just stumbled across this video, and it largely sums up my opinion of the election (beyond the general distaste I feel at how ridiculously right wing most people in America seem to be).
Also, re. smoking bans - as someone who enjoys having a couple of pints of beer and a chat with my mates, it is so, so, so wonderful to be able to do that without having to be constantly choking on the vile, smelly smoke drifting around the pub. Not smoking in public indoor places should just be normal good manners as far as I'm concerned, but since smokers don't seem to appreciate how disgusting it is for everyone else, there isn't really much choice but to use the law to force them to exhibit a bit of common decency.
Burkingam:
@sdedalus83 Sure. Whichever works best.
--- Quote from: AceHigh on November 11, 2012, 10:26:20 PM ---No, without social engineering there is a diversity, the beauty of the free market! I can choose to eat giant sized junk food, I can also choose to go to a restaurant for some traditional dinner, or I can go to gourmet restaurant and eat exclusive cuisine. The choices are many and in urban area they are vast.
Social engineering bans only remove choices and/or equalize them to the same boring shit. If you paint such a grim picture of "damned if you do, damned if you don't", it only tells much more about you as a person... or rather a puppet as you would have said it.
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And to take my personal experience with tobacco laws, it came more or less from A: All restaurants and bars are smoker friendly, to B: All restaurants and bars are smoke free. Not much change in level of diversity, not that I would even care.
--- Quote from: AceHigh on November 11, 2012, 10:26:20 PM ---Now look who is all morbidly pessimistic.
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It's only pessimistic from your point of view, not from mine. Contrarily to my mortality, my lack of libertarian freewill doesn't make me uncomfortable even one bit. I don't care where behaviors are coming from, all I care about are their consequences.
jaybug:
Now if only artificial fragrances were determined to be carcinogenic. Damn they smell bad.
Speaking of smell bad, good thing my farts aren't carcinogenic.
I've been wondering. Romney lost by less than 2% of the popular vote. And it was the large urban centers of the west that pushed Obama over the top, and provided the disparity in electoral votes.
So why is it a new thing, that the Republicans did poorly in urban centers? When those who historically voted Republican, move away from large urban centers A.S.A.P. I think the real challenge for the GOP will be to begin to make progress in those large urban centers. But how do they do that and satisfy their more rural constituencies? Flash to the past for you, that is what the moderate wing of the GOP used to do.
So, the Dems have alienated 20% of their party, as shown by the margin of victory Obama over Romney. How long until they have achieved their idea of party purity, and have the same problem, but in reverse to that of the GOP?
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