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2012 US Presidential Election
Nikkoru:
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--- Quote from: Nikkoru on November 12, 2012, 11:44:22 AM ---Except that, as I've mentioned -- no business has the right to poison its employees. Which essentially is what your saying that those owners are free to do to everyone who works for them. I don't think the connection between 2nd hand smoke and cancer/COPD need be reiterated.
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If you seek employment in a pub called "Cigar and whiskey", then you pretty much know what you will be dealing with on a daily basis. It's not like anyone is forced to work in places that specifically caters to smoking customers. As I said free market and it includes job market as well. Because following your logic we should close down coal mining business and a lot of other hazardous industry.
The only thing that government could demand in my opinion is some quality control from tobacco industry. Imagine if you bought cigars and cigarillos only. No more smoking paper impregnated with all kind of shit.
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Coal mining is one of the most heavily regulated and safety-conscious industries in North America. We've seen a 90% drop in cases of lung disease among miners since the 70's. Why? "social engineering" evidently. The majority of cases remaining are caused by poor adherence to regulations, and are given considerable compensation for their problems..
If your business strategy involves damaging your employees health -- potentially lethally -- you, the employer, are responsible for mitigating that harm as much as reasonably possible.
Either your business will simply have to find another market to sell to -- or provide full protection from the toxic materials the you expect your staff to be exposed to. This is no different than laws requiring the wearing of insulating material as an electrician or radiation suits at a nuclear plant. No one in their right mind would tell those professionals to simply accept the very plausible result of death or illness, because according to their ideology governments shouldn't be requiring private businesses to do anything so long as that worker is there voluntarily.
AceHigh:
Hire smokers, problem fixed. There is no problem if nobody is complaining.
buchno:
It'd be wonderful if smokers switched to snus instead, so that we wouldn't have to worry about people (including me) around them getting poisoned too.
AceHigh:
EU banned snus with Sweden and Denmark being exception, but went even further by introducing a law to ban flavoured tobacco products in all EU countries, which hits snus producers really hard. Worst thing: there is no second hand smoking or anything like that, yet without any logic EU continues a serious witch hunt to ban this product.
Now that is some fucked up social engineering that has only the aim to force people to quit their habits.
buchno:
I'd missed that. No wonder I never saw it anywhere in London...
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