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Offline newtype711

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being in the know
« on: September 08, 2012, 04:52:10 PM »
     I've been on the online anime scene since 2003 and then I used to know most of the fansub and fanscan groups or a least how to reach them. Over the years as the number of streaming sites has boomed and many fansub groups have been replaced by others I realize that I do no know any of them at all. They shut down onemanga, made mangafox sucky and BANG! i lose touch with most of the manga I read because I can not remember who scanned and translated it. With anime I barely know what it out, translated, or finished. My knowledge stops at the "recently added" list on gogoanime. Lord knows how out of touch i have been since they shut down demonoid.
 
    The point being is that I need to know who is out there doing the hard work of feeding the inter net's habit for anime. Sure there is ANI-DB but I am not even sure that is even updated, then there is nyatorrents but that does not include manga and good luck organizing the different groups. I just need to be brought up to speed of the whole scene "Does Eclipse still do fansubs?, Is all Shonen jump anime ripped from CrunchyRoll now? Who the hell scan Shin Prince of Tennis since MangaFox does not have it anymore?  How do I get the answers?"

(for the record I do not believe in putting "fanscans" and like terms in a google search bar I feel like it just makes targets out of all the good sites legal or not. And to all those laughing , "yeah as a long time fan I deserve it. Losing touch with the fansubbers is like saying the school wrote the Shakespeare plays you read in class" )
   
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2012, 06:21:05 PM »
Can't really say much for manga, as I just get it all from here (and consequentially, I don't really have anything that isn't here, or was here at one point.)

For anime though, I just started writing down all of the groups I got stuff from. I went through everything I currently had, and ended up with 90 different groups or individuals who'd done at least one thing I'm holding onto. From there, it's mostly just following bakabt torrent links or looking them up on anidb (worst case, googling them outright, since I already have the name.)

Not all of the groups I've got listed still exist, but quite a few still do, and even some of the dead ones still yield worthwhile content. Bookmarking the groups and just separating them into inactive/active worked for me.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2012, 06:37:59 PM »
For knowing what's out in anime fansub-way, I'd say anidb is still best; it's normally quite well up to date, although very obscure things may take a while to get updated. Don't trust the ratings or comments unless there are many of them, though. For keeping up with new releases Tokyo Toshokan is by far the best source.

As for if Eclipse still do subs, I'm not sure they know themselves  ;D

For manga, I think Manga Traders is rather nice, although it's not always up to date, it tends to get there.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
For knowing what's out in anime fansub-way, I'd say anidb is still best; it's normally quite well up to date, although very obscure things may take a while to get updated. Don't trust the ratings or comments unless there are many of them, though. For keeping up with new releases Tokyo Toshokan is by far the best source.

As for if Eclipse still do subs, I'm not sure they know themselves  ;D

For manga, I think Manga Traders is rather nice, although it's not always up to date, it tends to get there.

Ani DB is horrible for info on anime. I've had better luck using wikipedia to get info.
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 07:02:34 PM »
Ani DB is horrible for info on anime. I've had better luck using wikipedia to get info.
So if you want to know what episodes of Rinne no Lagrange that Underwater has subbed, you use Wikipedia? The OP asked for fansub info, not what the anime is about.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 07:07:07 PM »
Wikipedia? Anime Fansub group information?

Does not compute.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 07:11:56 PM »
For anime, aniDB or MAL. For manga, MangaUpdates.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 07:31:11 PM »
For knowing what's out in anime fansub-way, I'd say anidb is still best; it's normally quite well up to date, although very obscure things may take a while to get updated. Don't trust the ratings or comments unless there are many of them, though. For keeping up with new releases Tokyo Toshokan is by far the best source.

As for if Eclipse still do subs, I'm not sure they know themselves  ;D
Even for relatively obscure items, AniDB is still pretty good. I do re-releases of random/obscure anime that were subbed ~4-5 years ago (as well as subs for Magical Girl anime that no one cares about), and even if I don't add them myself, the files get added within a day or two. Newer anime will only be updated faster than that.

But I blame the decline in fansubber self-credits and logos for the decline in community awareness. In the past, if you watched fansubs, it was easy to know exactly what group subbed it, their website/IRC, and exactly who did the tranlating/editing/encoding/etc. on that episode. Nowadays, a lot of releases are a changed filename away from requiring detective work to find out who even released them.


Got any old fansubs on HDD/DVD/CD? Please take a look at this thread.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 07:40:30 PM »
But I blame the decline in fansubber self-credits and logos for the decline in community awareness. In the past, if you watched fansubs, it was easy to know exactly what group subbed it, their website/IRC, and exactly who did the tranlating/editing/encoding/etc. on that episode. Nowadays, a lot of releases are a changed filename away from requiring detective work to find out who even released them.
I won't say which project, but I'm part of a long-term collaboration where this was a huge issue. Some people really wanted inclusion of credits for various positions, while others were appalled and considered that mere self-bloating  :D I don't really care, as I do fansubbing to pay back to the community, not to get praised.

Back to anidb, I've seen all from an hour to several weeks. It just depends on when a member adds a file.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 08:35:32 PM »
live-evil  I have to thanks those guys for their "death note" subs so yeah  ;D

other than that (i will start pouring through some links after lunch) who else does any translations for light novels besides the good folks here at BakaBT. Most of the good animes now are based off LN and I would love to follow them, example "Ben-To"  If anyone knows the guys working on those also It would be a great help.

lastly I DL the translated version of the LN Index(the one with espers v.s magicians) and I'm sure that the guys here at BakaBT did it but I don't have a clue. Whoever did it, YOU GUYS ROCK!!
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 08:37:55 PM »
Light Novels are a seriously under-TL subject  :'(

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 09:03:10 PM »
Not to mention that BakaBT isn't a translation group (with the exception of Box Subs, who don't do LNs), so BakaBT has not translated any of those. Are you sure you don't mean Baka-Tsuki? Because that's a completely unrelated website, so you'd do better to ask there.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2012, 04:23:03 AM »
I won't say which project, but I'm part of a long-term collaboration where this was a huge issue. Some people really wanted inclusion of credits for various positions, while others were appalled and considered that mere self-bloating  :D I don't really care, as I do fansubbing to pay back to the community, not to get praised.
I get the impression most of the sub groups out there have the same attitude as you do. I can't say I really miss hardsubbed credits or added credit stills and the like encoded into the video, but even softsubbed self-credits are increasingly rare.

I'm thinking maybe the increased number of purely encoding based groups/individuals releasing stuff might have something to do with it, alongside the trend towards high end releases in general.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2012, 04:29:49 AM »
For knowing what's out in anime fansub-way, I'd say anidb is still best; it's normally quite well up to date, although very obscure things may take a while to get updated. Don't trust the ratings or comments unless there are many of them, though. For keeping up with new releases Tokyo Toshokan is by far the best source.

As for if Eclipse still do subs, I'm not sure they know themselves  ;D

For manga, I think Manga Traders is rather nice, although it's not always up to date, it tends to get there.

Ani DB is horrible for info on anime. I've had better luck using wikipedia to get info.
Wikipedia gives specific information on the anime and anything good or bad about it, if people update it. AniDB targets the seiyu, producers, who subbed it, detailed information on the type of media and other important information that wikipedia will never carry.

Wikipedia? Anime Fansub group information?

Does not compute.
^ There you go. I don't use Wikipedia for Anime, rather ... I use the links on AniDB to see anything related to who produced the anime, to seiyu, who subbed it, file information and so on and forth. Wikipedia is not even close to being good as you think it is when it comes down to what I mentioned.



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Re: being in the know
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 08:32:04 AM »
Best way to know who does what is to observe TT or Nyaa.
After that you use google to find the groups websites.
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2012, 02:08:02 PM »
Best way to know who does what is to observe TT or Nyaa.
After that you use google to find the groups websites.
Never failed.

^ This I do all the time, quite efficient.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »
I still try to avoid googling (hah to that being a word) fansub/scan site simply because I'm paranoid but I see where you are going the issue is that I have be streaming :o anime alot in the past few years a now that I've gone back to DL it (much better btw) i am forgetting who did what. Especially with manga. I start keeping up more with the community (I'll even try using IRC, maybe) so let me be a lesson to all,

"Never forget where your [anime providers] are, because when the pretender fade only they will remain."
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2012, 09:32:32 PM »
You can just look up the stuff you've watched here. If you know you liked a show, then even if you didn't see that group's particular release of it, at least you'll have an idea of who releases the things you like.

From there you'll have a group name, and the majority of anime torrents here have links to either the group's website directly, or their anidb page (which should hopefully have their website, if they have one.)

Or you can just skip directly to anidb and look up shows and sort through who released them, but I usually prefer the stuff archived here.

Manga is a bit more hit or miss, but you can get similar results looking at the torrents for a group name, and then going to Manga Updates to find additional information.

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Re: being in the know
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2012, 07:45:12 PM »
I still try to avoid googling (hah to that being a word) fansub/scan site simply because I'm paranoid but I see where you are going the issue is that I have be streaming :o anime alot in the past few years a now that I've gone back to DL it (much better btw) i am forgetting who did what. Especially with manga. I start keeping up more with the community (I'll even try using IRC, maybe) so let me be a lesson to all,

"Never forget where your [anime providers] are, because when the pretender fade only they will remain."
1-google is your friend, if you are scared of anything use anonymous mode,
    -Being paranoid -50 pts.
2-why do you stream anime? that's a basic mistake!
    -Streaming Anime -150 pts.

total -200pts.

If you are so scared of google make Anime Database your friend, every anime that had been done has the respective group listed, you can access those groups sites from adb.net as well.

I thought I was lazy but you just beat that with a 300 meter distance dash.
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Re: being in the know
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2012, 08:13:29 PM »
I still try to avoid googling (hah to that being a word) fansub/scan site simply because I'm paranoid but I see where you are going the issue is that I have be streaming :o anime alot in the past few years a now that I've gone back to DL it (much better btw) i am forgetting who did what. Especially with manga. I start keeping up more with the community (I'll even try using IRC, maybe) so let me be a lesson to all,

"Never forget where your [anime providers] are, because when the pretender fade only they will remain."

You're paranoid to use google but you come to a torrent site.... that does not compute.
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