iPhone 5 Is The Most Disappointing iPhone Ever?

[mrdkreka]

There are so much stupidity going around it is hurting my brain.

To the apple hater:
Study "design interaction", and you will understand what it means it is easy to use, but to say it short apple is very good at using the guided fantasy, which makes a very good consumer product. It will loose functionality, but less option are easier for most user, however it also means that the user can't be as productive.

@GoGeTa006
Use the real price instead of some "fake" price, that the Americans provider makes up, else uoi can't compare prices.

Android have actually moved past iOS on software level, but most of the manufacturers can't figure out to make a good combination of software and hardware. This is where apple shine, it is the best packet deal you can get, where the software and hardware play so well together. One of the main rule when designing software, is to make it invisible to the user, so they aren't thinking over how they are using it. Google is also about making it as simple as possible, but they also gives a lot of options, because, they have the philosophy " we make so amazing product/services, that you will choose use even if you have other options", while apple have the philosophy "we make the best, so you don't need other options".

[kitamesume]

no, because "ease of use" varies by person to person, some person would find iOS easier to use than windows and vice versa, it also applies to any other things.

i myself find iPhone rather restrictive than being easy to use, sure its simple but too simple? might just buy something similar for cheaper.
if you compare price point to price point you'd see that an android phone are more worth it, and interface varies by design, you just have to look for the interface that you find easy but nonrestrictive. android can be versatile, too versatile for it's own good actually, you can tune the GUI further, down to he core with a few hacks for your perfect preference.

@GoGeTa006
at the moment i could get a galaxy note from an internet provider, given if i go with their 25$ a month plan for a lock-in period of 2years, for free.

[mrdkreka]

no, because "ease of use" varies by person to person, some person would find iOS easier to use than windows and vice versa, it also applies to any other things.

i myself find iPhone rather restrictive than being easy to use, sure its simple but too simple? might just buy something similar for cheaper.

So you are saying it isn't easier to use because it is restrictive, that is two very different things. Look into the invention and innovation of the mouse and how it is being used, that way you might be able to understand what it means something is easy to us. Since I know you aren't gonna do it, I will just say it very simple, the less learning curve there is, the easier it is to use.

Your fanboism makes you take wrong assumption, and stop you from understanding the difference between an enthusiast, professional and a consumer. Android is more powerful and easier to use, but it has a bit longer learning curve, which makes it less simple for the consumer, since they are going to avoid the learning curve.

Don't get me wrong, there are difference between what is easiest for people to use, can be different form each person, but most design rules are build around imitating something from reality, so you can use it without understanding what is happening.

[kitamesume]

how am i that much of a fanboy for android? i just barely got my first android phone a few days ago, but i've been able to use an iphone for over a few years because of my cousin, to point out the only thing that hooked me on the iphone is cat physics.

i dont fan anything, rather i HATE something, and that is apple's pricing. so no, ease of use doesn't prove a valid argument for the price increase.

as a small note, android's learning curve can be adjusted, a locked phone with no option of rooting has a set short learning curve limited by apps available in the market.
a person can also mentally limit the learning curve by not going deeper into the phone, as an example some windows or any other OS users tends to not know how to manage their OS, they'd just click-click whats infront of them and thats it, they'd even spend bucks for a tech to fix a minor pop-up issue that was installed from an installer with an extra thats usually checked as a default.

[FlyinPenguin]

Hmmm. I never really understood this whole "Android has a learning curve" argument. When I bought my first Android device, an Archos 5 IT, I had no trouble navigating or doing anything a "normal" consumer would do and it was running Donut!

The last few iterations of Android (GB, ICS, JB), have cleaned up the OS even further, making it extremely straight forward to use. Not to mention the interfaces (Sense, TouchWiz, etc)  the various manufacturers throw on top of it that make it even more streamlined, simple, and feature rich.

I think the learning curve only comes when you start hacking. There is a learning curve with anything you start to hack, including IOS. The difference is Android offers far more hacking potential then IOS ever will as long as it remains closed source.

[kitamesume]

^exactly.

edit: also if i'd fan something then it'd be windows, i fancy it because i'm more used to it, although the price of getting legal copies is getting iffy by years to come, not to mention a few issues on the latter OS line called windows 8.

once i get a laptop i could play with i might mess around linux.

edit2: i might even jump onto a phone with a windows8 in it, if it were good that is.

[mrdkreka]

you guys are still not getting the point. You are an enthusiast, which mean you act differently and don't have the same learning curve as consumer. Here is a question, how many of your non tech friends and family have download a much better keyboard like swiftkey or swype? how many have downloaded a new launcher or just another browser?

The answer is either 0 or only a very few, where you or another tech person have told that person to do it.

If you two don't want to believe me, or actually read up on the subject, then that it is fine. I'm most interested in android, because it is actually becoming easier to use than iOS, and they are doing so well at going after a tangible design. There are still stuff that makes you are aware of using the software, when you shouldn't. I have high hopes for the next version of android, after the big letdown iOS6 and Windows Mobile have been.

[kitamesume]

^we share the same interests, makes me wonder why're we arguing on some shitty topic =/

[megido-rev.M]

What are you arguing anyway? I thought this was about the pricing.

[mrdkreka]

^we share the same interests, makes me wonder why're we arguing on some shitty topic =/

Well it have to do with you thinking I'm saying iOS is better, while the thing I'm saying is that iOS are built being simple, and you not noticing that you are using it, also the reason why they started out with so few feature, so they were sure that everything was consistent and stable in the UI. This has been a problem with android, but they improved a lot when they hired Matias Duarte, who have helped making android much more simpler and intuitive. He did that by making things more obvious and consistent, stuff like having a dedicated button for multitasking, instead of hiding it in the home button. The article I linked to shows that there are still inconsistent in the OS which need fixing, so we don't become "aware" that we are using software, which also made Matias Duarte respond that he is only 1/3 of the way with android, in how he wants it to be.

Just to add something, the holo design is way better for making a simple, consistent and easy to use experience in apps, which apple could really learn something from.

What are you arguing anyway? I thought this was about the pricing.

I was talking about, why most people consider iOS easy to use, and why that is. I wasn't talking about pricing, since the iphone aren't that much more expensive if you buy one with 16gb memory, than the rest of android flagship phones.

[megido-rev.M]

Interesting. It depends on the user, I believe. For example, I only consider something easy for myself if I can change the setting of certain tiny details.

[GoGeTa006]

^we share the same interests, makes me wonder why're we arguing on some shitty topic =/

as mentioned, I agree with your logic and stuff, but again, I must repeat myself iOS just as apple targets the masses, not the computer saavy.

and I find it a little. . .biased, your opinion saying Windows is better cause you're more used to it. . . I found it a little "odd" at first (when I first started using mac) but after you get the hang of it, you notice how its much easier to use than windows, as mentioned it has a lower learning curve, you dont have to worry about any defrags, hard drive checks or anything like that, the OS manages all that in a very efficient way

[megido-rev.M]

It might just be that the masses often have not as often for what they can do, but what they want to do in mind.
Also, the defrag argument is a bit iffy, because I doubt anyone in their right mind would use the Windows defragger over others >_>.

[mrdkreka]

^we share the same interests, makes me wonder why're we arguing on some shitty topic =/

as mentioned, I agree with your logic and stuff, but again, I must repeat myself iOS just as apple targets the masses, not the computer saavy.

Pretty much what I have been trying to say, and this is also the direction android started taking when Google hired Matias Duarte.

and I find it a little. . .biased, your opinion saying Windows is better cause you're more used to it. . . I found it a little "odd" at first (when I first started using mac) but after you get the hang of it, you notice how its much easier to use than windows, as mentioned it has a lower learning curve, you dont have to worry about any defrags, hard drive checks or anything like that, the OS manages all that in a very efficient way

Ultra laptops are using SSD and pc are moving towards SSD, so that kind of problem are pretty much disappearing, but it would have been better if windows also was build on unix like OSX

OSX is quite nice, and they are so much better using visual (guided fantasy) than windows, sure microsoft are trying with windows 8, but they are focusing on touch based to much, and losing its functionality, that made people want windows. Only one problem I have with OSX - You need to buy apple hardware, and their hardware design have become so boring, I almost fall a sleep when I see a Mac. 

[lapa321]

you guys are still not getting the point. You are an enthusiast, which mean you act differently and don't have the same learning curve as consumer. Here is a question, how many of your non tech friends and family have download a much better keyboard like swiftkey or swype? how many have downloaded a new launcher or just another browser?

The answer is either 0 or only a very few, where you or another tech person have told that person to do it.

If you two don't want to believe me, or actually read up on the subject, then that it is fine. I'm most interested in android, because it is actually becoming easier to use than iOS, and they are doing so well at going after a tangible design. There are still stuff that makes you are aware of using the software, when you shouldn't. I have high hopes for the next version of android, after the big letdown iOS6 and Windows Mobile have been.

I've actually read a similar study on the ipad. Regular people don't download much from the Apple Store either, quite a lot has never even used it. I'd imagine that the hoops you'd have to go through just to get something on and off an iDevice would be beyond them as well.

How many people understand thumbdrives tho? How many regular joes equate "Plug to USB port = access media files" or "Memory card = mp3 holder"?



OT:
Just wondering. But just a few years ago, every PC user knew what a diskette was, i'd like to think people today atleast know what a thumbdrive and sd card is for?

[megido-rev.M]

Just wondering. But just a few years ago, every PC user knew what a diskette was, i'd like to think people today atleast know what a thumbdrive and sd card is for?

New users probably don't event know what a floppy is now.

[lapa321]

Just wondering. But just a few years ago, every PC user knew what a diskette was, i'd like to think people today atleast know what a thumbdrive and sd card is for?

New users probably don't event know what a floppy is now.

Yeah, but the current equivalent of it are the thumbdrives. Do the regular joes today atleast know what a thumbdrive is? Because android phones and tablets are essentially not much different from those.

You want it to get complicated and use an organized library on your PC? Use Windows Media Player. You want it fast and simple? Use windows explorer.

[kitamesume]

What are you arguing anyway? I thought this was about the pricing.

I was talking about, why most people consider iOS easy to use, and why that is. I wasn't talking about pricing, since the iphone aren't that much more expensive if you buy one with 16gb memory, than the rest of android flagship phones.

about this, certainly going lower capacity does save you a number of $$ but if i remember correctly i(whatever) doesn't support SD cards.
if you'd compare a 16GB(internal) android to a 16GB iphone yeah sure the iphone "might" get a little more cheaper, but most of android phones supports extending up to 64GB for 30-50$ more, depending on which class you'd purchase.

[donald1]

found this pic today

[megido-rev.M]

I must have missed the joke for that one...