Author Topic: iPhone 5 Is The Most Disappointing iPhone Ever? (Read 6324 times)

Osmo · « **Reply #60 on:** September 23, 2012, 02:14:56 PM »

Rather then create something totally new Apple, are just slowly perfecting the iPhone, which is brilliant tbh, so many people have ruined themselves by this, I mean who actually likes the windows 8 ?

AceHigh · « **Reply #61 on:** September 23, 2012, 02:31:02 PM »

Implying that Windows 8 is the only alternative.

metro. · « **Reply #62 on:** September 23, 2012, 02:45:54 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 02:14:56 PM

Rather then create something totally new Apple, are just slowly perfecting the iPhone, which is brilliant tbh, so many people have ruined themselves by this, I mean who actually likes the windows 8 ?

Considering we haven't even seen a full Windows 8 Phone OS yet, that's a bold prediction.
And Android?

Osmo · « **Reply #63 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:15:08 PM »

Windows to phone port has been a complete fail, look at Nokia, they'll never come back.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #64 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:21:12 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 02:14:56 PM

Rather then create something totally new Apple, are just slowly perfecting the iPhone, which is brilliant tbh, so many people have ruined themselves by this, I mean who actually likes the windows 8 ?

Brilliant, you are kidding right? If you don't innovate you are gonna get killed by the competition, and that is especially the case in the tech world, just look at what happen to apple last time, they stopped innovating. IPhone 5 is a great phone and it will sell a lot, but it doesn't bring anything to the table, heck even the iPhone 4s was more innovative with its Siri.
Normally apple will explain why they do like they do, but with the iphone 5 becoming widescreen we got zero explanation for why they did it. iOS 6 didn't bring anything to the table, it was all about getting Google services out of their phone, which was stupid since they didn't have good enough services to replace it.

The road apple is following will let them sell a lot of phones for a while, and years into the future, because they have one of the best packet deals(software and hardware) and a good ecosystem. However innovation is the key, if you want to stay in the game, and from the looks of it, Apple is just playing it to safe, which will harm them in the future.
The fact that they didn't put NFC in the new iPhone is such a big disappointment. It could really have pushed the technology forward, but they aren't willing to take any chances. I'm really hoping Google next nexus will do better, at the moment the only thing that have amazed me is the hardware of Lumia 920, to bad it has to suffer with windows phone 8 $:-\$

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 03:15:08 PM

Windows to phone port has been a complete fail, look at Nokia, they'll never come back.

It is really a shame Nokia accepted the deal with windows, when they are the company who is making the best hardware in the mobile industry. They wouldn't even have trouble separating them self from the rest, if they had went with android, because of their amazing hardware. Well Nokia did speak of a plan B if windows should fail yet again, which it most likely will, because of how badly Microsoft have managed windows phone 8 so far.

Osmo · « **Reply #65 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:35:45 PM »

Siri is a great innovation, it's also brilliant, but it's execution was poor, look at Samsung they have S voice, it's a pisstake really how much samsung copy Apple. The future in technology is voice activation, but in these times it's technology is in a childlike state.

Maybe playing it safe is the best option, even I sometimes think they are digging their own coffin, and even that they won't be able to do anything different without Steve jobs. But yes your right in that they will sell phones for awhile, but they can't live off their name forever, others want to make their name.

Yes I liked Nokia, they dominated without being as brainwashing, cult like and arrogant like Apple.

Yes the NFC is a big fail. It would simply money transactions in seconds, something Apple are motivated by.

Microsoft need to fix up. And Nokias plan B was to get Andriod on board, but it might be too late.

AceHigh · « **Reply #66 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »

I don't see how it can be "too late" for a company such as Nokia. 3/4 of global phone userbase are "dumbphones" and Nokia makes money from that market. It's not like they will never sell phones again because of some mistakes.

Hell, Apple entered phone market really late, but they made profit, so your logic is still as stupid as ever.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #67 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 03:35:45 PM

Siri is a great innovation, it's also brilliant, but it's execution was poor, look at Samsung they have S voice, it's a pisstake really how much samsung copy Apple. The future in technology is voice activation, but in these times it's technology is in a childlike state.

Siri is quite nice for showing it off once, but it need to become more useful like google now is. The future might be in voice recognition, but there are times where you can't speak, so more ways of interacting are necessary.

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Maybe playing it safe is the best option, even I sometimes think they are digging their own coffin, and even that they won't be able to do anything different without Steve jobs. But yes your right in that they will sell phones for awhile, but they can't live off their name forever, others want to make their name.

History is telling us otherwise, apple already failed once, because they played it safe. Apple are still able to move forward without Steve Jobs, they just need someone who can help them focus on the real stuff again.

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Yes the NFC is a big fail. It would simplify money transactions in seconds, something Apple are motivated by.

Not only that, sharing things will also become so much easier, when you can share it the same way, as you would do with physicals objects. This is also one of the reason why I'm surprised, that the new iPhone don't have NFC, apple have been good at following the "guided fantasy" in their software department.

Belmakar · « **Reply #68 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 03:15:08 PM

Windows to phone port has been a complete fail, look at Nokia, they'll never come back.

You never actually touched a WP7 device, have you? IMO, the interface is way better than the iOS interface (especially the app list and the home screen), and even though it has it's quirks (most real problems where solved with the Mango and Tango updates though) and limitations (no FLAC support? are you fucking kidding me?), it's got a pretty decent overall user experience...
If Microsofts overall reputation was better, the old windows mobile wouldn't have been as horrible as it actually was and the ones doing the WP7 in general and Lumia in specific presentations would've had Steve Jobs' charisma, WP7 would have been a much greater deal.

And I must say, WP8 and especially the Lumia 920 got me pretty excited, despite the lack of choice in color (I'd like a black one, please) and the fact that it's always going to be worse than anticipated, and in most cases even more so with Microsoft products.

revo · « **Reply #69 on:** September 23, 2012, 05:51:24 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 02:14:56 PM

Rather then create something totally new Apple, are just slowly perfecting the iPhone, which is brilliant tbh, so many people have ruined themselves by this, I mean who actually likes the windows 8 ?

you can't be serious ?

Osmo you are full of shit
You don't know what you are talking about

I only heard positive reactions for WP7 and 8 and now some people on this forum got me stunned

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:19:21 PM »

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 03:21:12 PM

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
Rather then create something totally new Apple, are just slowly perfecting the iPhone, which is brilliant tbh, so many people have ruined themselves by this, I mean who actually likes the windows 8 ?
Brilliant, you are kidding right? If you don't innovate you are gonna get killed by the competition, and that is especially the case in the tech world, just look at what happen to apple last time, they stopped innovating. IPhone 5 is a great phone and it will sell a lot, but it doesn't bring anything to the table, heck even the iPhone 4s was more innovative with its Siri.
Normally apple will explain why they do like they do, but with the iphone 5 becoming widescreen we got zero explanation for why they did it. iOS 6 didn't bring anything to the table, it was all about getting Google services out of their phone, which was stupid since they didn't have good enough services to replace it.

The road apple is following will let them sell a lot of phones for a while, and years into the future, because they have one of the best packet deals(software and hardware) and a good ecosystem. However innovation is the key, if you want to stay in the game, and from the looks of it, Apple is just playing it to safe, which will harm them in the future.
The fact that they didn't put NFC in the new iPhone is such a big disappointment. It could really have pushed the technology forward, but they aren't willing to take any chances. I'm really hoping Google next nexus will do better, at the moment the only thing that have amazed me is the hardware of Lumia 920, to bad it has to suffer with windows phone 8 $:-\$

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 03:15:08 PM
Windows to phone port has been a complete fail, look at Nokia, they'll never come back.
It is really a shame Nokia accepted the deal with windows, when they are the company who is making the best hardware in the mobile industry. They wouldn't even have trouble separating them self from the rest, if they had went with android, because of their amazing hardware. Well Nokia did speak of a plan B if windows should fail yet again, which it most likely will, because of how badly Microsoft have managed windows phone 8 so far.

they wanted to expand the screen, but they realized that the width of the phone is OPTIMAL for most hands, because (at the end of the day) you should be able to use your phone with 1 hand and 1 thumb, which many of the larger phones are becoming harder to maneuver with just 1 thumb, so to "increase" the screen size, since all the other competitors brainwashed the market into believing bigger is better, they only increased it to a full widescreen resolution

and TBH I am still biased, the nokia Augmented reality seems pretty legit, but I just had such horrible experiences with previous windows phones. . (back in the days of PocketPC and even windows 6.5 still didnt convince me)
I owned a pocketPC and i tried the 6.5 that a friend had, and it just wasnt convincing at all, so I grew to hate windows mobile.

Android is pretty legit, I love it (i have it), but I only chose it over the iOS because I didnt have to sign my life away for 2 years. . .

AceHigh · « **Reply #71 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:22:23 PM »

Personally that is what kept me from getting a smartphone: too fucking big.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #72 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:36:05 PM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on September 23, 2012, 07:19:21 PM

they wanted to expand the screen, but they realized that the width of the phone is OPTIMAL for most hands, because (at the end of the day) you should be able to use your phone with 1 hand and 1 thumb, which many of the larger phones are becoming harder to maneuver with just 1 thumb, so to "increase" the screen size, since all the other competitors brainwashed the market into believing bigger is better, they only increased it to a full widescreen resolution

I'm reading your comment, and I can't figure out why they made it bigger, only why they didn't make it wider. Let me elaborate, everytime apple does something new, they use a lot of time explaining why they are doing it, and how much thought that went into it. However with making the screen longer that was no explanation at all, which makes sense, when you see they aren't using the extra space for anything. So why did they make the screen longer?

Oh and don't go down the road with optimal screen estate, by making the screen longer you wont be able to reach the top, when we are following the old optimal. I'm not in the mode for that kind of marketing bullshit, that fanboys use to justify the screen dimension.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #73 on:** September 23, 2012, 08:02:45 PM »

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 07:36:05 PM

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on September 23, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
they wanted to expand the screen, but they realized that the width of the phone is OPTIMAL for most hands, because (at the end of the day) you should be able to use your phone with 1 hand and 1 thumb, which many of the larger phones are becoming harder to maneuver with just 1 thumb, so to "increase" the screen size, since all the other competitors brainwashed the market into believing bigger is better, they only increased it to a full widescreen resolution
I'm reading your comment, and I can't figure out why they made it bigger, only why they didn't make it wider. Let me elaborate, everytime apple does something new, they use a lot of time explaining why they are doing it, and how much thought that went into it. However with making the screen longer that was no explanation at all, which makes sense, when you see they aren't using the extra space for anything. So why did they make the screen longer?

Oh and don't go down the road with optimal screen estate, by making the screen longer you wont be able to reach the top, when we are following the old optimal. I'm not in the mode for that kind of marketing bullshit, that fanboys use to justify the screen dimension.

well they didnt explain why make it bigger, and the thumb thing I mostly mean it texting-wise. . . (the keyboard isnt at the top of the screen) and your most used shortcuts are in the bottom dock.

but yeah, the bigger screen is just because (as I said) smartphone marketing has brainwashed people into thinking bigger is better (when its just an excuse for "we cant fit it all in a compact size")

Im pretty sure apple couldve packed it in the 3.5" screen, but everywhere in the internet everyone wanted a bigger screen. . .and so apple said "fuck it, we lost this one, lets give 'em the bigger screen"
or thats what I think

Osmo · « **Reply #74 on:** September 23, 2012, 09:02:22 PM »

Quote from: AceHigh on September 23, 2012, 03:52:07 PM

I don't see how it can be "too late" for a company such as Nokia. 3/4 of global phone userbase are "dumbphones" and Nokia makes money from that market. It's not like they will never sell phones again because of some mistakes.

Hell, Apple entered phone market really late, but they made profit, so your logic is still as stupid as ever.

You've always been a Nokia fan boy.

There's already Nokia employees leaving the company to start their own line of phones, as well as Nokia staff loosing their jobs. Do you see a comeback? I don't see one happening any time soon, they've defo lost the smart phone game, or lost billions of dollars "at this moment in time" if you still foresee a comeback. Every dog has it's day.

Well the dumbphones were what made them money anyway in the first place, but even now dumbphones have lost their novelty people don't care about brand unless it's cheap, cheerful and reliable. Samsung is not only in the smartphones but they also sell quite a lot of dumbphones too, in other words they don't make as much as before through those dumb phones due to A. competition and B. smart phones have stolen a massive customer base.

And back to your point, Apple specializes in it's own operating system, so it was a natural in the smartphone market, unlike Nokia who don't have their own OS, which is the main reason why it's failing, so you can't compare Nokia with Apple like that within this context.

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 03:54:01 PM

History is telling us otherwise, apple already failed once, because they played it safe. Apple are still able to move forward without Steve Jobs, they just need someone who can help them focus on the real stuff again.

There's a saying never step in a great mans shoes.

Quote from: Belmakar on September 23, 2012, 03:56:23 PM

You never actually touched a WP7 device, have you? IMO, the interface is way better than the iOS interface (especially the app list and the home screen), and even though it has it's quirks (most real problems where solved with the Mango and Tango updates though) and limitations (no FLAC support? are you fucking kidding me?), it's got a pretty decent overall user experience...
If Microsofts overall reputation was better, the old windows mobile wouldn't have been as horrible as it actually was and the ones doing the WP7 in general and Lumia in specific presentations would've had Steve Jobs' charisma, WP7 would have been a much greater deal.

And I must say, WP8 and especially the Lumia 920 got me pretty excited, despite the lack of choice in color (I'd like a black one, please) and the fact that it's always going to be worse than anticipated, and in most cases even more so with Microsoft products.

....so yes they haven't been a complete fail, but comparing it to Nokias old standards, their smartphones have been complete fails.
And yes their interfaces are quite nice, I have touched one, but that's not relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Quote from: revo on September 23, 2012, 05:51:24 PM

you can't be serious ?

Osmo you are full of shit
You don't know what you are talking about

I only heard positive reactions for WP7 and 8 and now some people on this forum got me stunned

Rofl...

the world doesn't care about a few opinions on a anime forum, I'm not talking about my personal taste here, I'm talking about how Nokia is fairing in the global smartphone market.

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 07:36:05 PM

I'm reading your comment, and I can't figure out why they made it bigger, only why they didn't make it wider. Let me elaborate, everytime apple does something new, they use a lot of time explaining why they are doing it, and how much thought that went into it. However with making the screen longer that was no explanation at all, which makes sense, when you see they aren't using the extra space for anything. So why did they make the screen longer?

Oh and don't go down the road with optimal screen estate, by making the screen longer you wont be able to reach the top, when we are following the old optimal. I'm not in the mode for that kind of marketing bullshit, that fanboys use to justify the screen dimension.

I don't see why you don't see the benefits in a bigger screen? The iphone 4 looks tiny compared to all the other smartphones. And smartphones need more real estate. And the screen ratio is perfect I think...meh. If they didn't make the screen bigger I would have never thought about buying it.

mrdkreka · « **Reply #75 on:** September 23, 2012, 09:09:36 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 09:02:22 PM

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 07:36:05 PM

I'm reading your comment, and I can't figure out why they made it bigger, only why they didn't make it wider. Let me elaborate, everytime apple does something new, they use a lot of time explaining why they are doing it, and how much thought that went into it. However with making the screen longer that was no explanation at all, which makes sense, when you see they aren't using the extra space for anything. So why did they make the screen longer?

Oh and don't go down the road with optimal screen estate, by making the screen longer you wont be able to reach the top, when we are following the old optimal. I'm not in the mode for that kind of marketing bullshit, that fanboys use to justify the screen dimension.

I don't see why you don't see the benefits in a bigger screen? The iphone 4 looks tiny compared to all the other smartphones. And smartphones need more real estate. And the screen ratio is perfect I think...meh. If they didn't make the screen bigger I would have never thought about buying it.

you totally missed my point, so I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Point: apple always brag/tell why they do like they do, this time they didn't and that ain't a good sign.

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on September 23, 2012, 08:02:45 PM

well they didnt explain why make it bigger, and the thumb thing I mostly mean it texting-wise. . . (the keyboard isnt at the top of the screen) and your most used shortcuts are in the bottom dock.

No, but the notification is in the top, which will be hard to reach with one hand, this is the main problem with big phone, since you can still type with one hand.

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but yeah, the bigger screen is just because (as I said) smartphone marketing has brainwashed people into thinking bigger is better (when its just an excuse for "we cant fit it all in a compact size")

Not really. Let me ask you this, would you rather surf the web with a 11inch screen or a 17inch screen? The screen are getting bigger, because they are smartphones, so they aren't just used for texting and calling people.

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Im pretty sure apple couldve packed it in the 3.5" screen, but everywhere in the internet everyone wanted a bigger screen. . .and so apple said "fuck it, we lost this one, lets give 'em the bigger screen"
or thats what I think

I'm to tired to argue over this one, so I will just say, that it might be possible, but it is more likely they did it to fit more content on the screen.

Osmo · « **Reply #76 on:** September 23, 2012, 09:17:46 PM »

Quote from: mrdkreka on September 23, 2012, 09:09:36 PM

you totally missed my point, so I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

Point: apple always brag/tell why they do like they do, this time they didn't and that ain't a good sign.

Maybe you're are looking too much into this? Maybe you are right, it could just mean they are unsure of themselves since Steve jobs has left and Samsung have closed the gap.

revo · « **Reply #77 on:** September 23, 2012, 09:23:29 PM »

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-5-display-compared-to-nokia-lumia-920-has-its-most-advanced-title-taken-away/

"I'm talking about how Nokia is fairing in the global smartphone market."

Who cares about that ?

Good phone is good phone

Nokia fucked up with Symbian and WP7-8 is very good choice (it does not need x4 procesor like S3 to run smoothly)

Osmo · « **Reply #78 on:** September 23, 2012, 09:43:49 PM »

Quote from: revo on September 23, 2012, 09:23:29 PM

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-5-display-compared-to-nokia-lumia-920-has-its-most-advanced-title-taken-away/

"I'm talking about how Nokia is fairing in the global smartphone market."

Who cares about that ?

Good phone is good phone

Nokia fucked up with Symbian and WP7-8 is very good choice (it does not need x4 procesor like S3 to run smoothly)

That is interesting to know but how does it fare against the SuperAmoled and the HTC oneX IPS display?

There's been a lot of phones on the market(including iphone), that technically should have had the best screens but up close don't look anything special.

It's obvious you are a Nokia fanboy.

AceHigh · « **Reply #79 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:07:27 PM »

Quote from: Osmo on September 23, 2012, 09:43:49 PM

It's obvious you are a Nokia fanboy.

Oh, please that is so weak. You called me a Nokia fanboy earlier, so how do you explain this statement of mine:

I think Lumia is worse because of a larger screen. They made an even larger and more uncomfortable brick.

That being said any smart phone out there fails in dimensions. Remember the time when phones were literally huge bricks with antennas? Then gradually they got smaller and smaller up to the point when they could be built too small to be comfortable. Candybar phones were all roughly the same size and clapping/sliding ones were even smaller.

What happened then? Lumia and iPhone are both fucking bricks that take too much place in the pocket and in your palm. Making them thinner doesn't exactly make them comfortable to hold in hand while talking. The problem is first of all width. Lumia is just horrible in that parameter, while iPhone is not that much better, although it is smaller that it's predecessors.

The first smartphone to cut down width to around 4,5cm and length to around 10 will win my heart. So far I haven't seen those because the market loves big screens. The funny thing is that Apple takes pride in the design. Did they really not consider dimensions as part of ergonomics when they made their phones?