About : Phones

[kitamesume]

So would you say when I linked one in the post directly above yours, I "lacked the thought of it?"

/facepalm

not really, but you did lack the thought of packing your own keyboard instead, sure it may be troublesome but how often do you even type letters for a keyboard to matter.
as for the touchscreen failing letter accuracy because you aren't used to it, http://www.swype.com/ or the good old T9 layout works.

pretty much all your complains boils down to you being not used to virtual keyboard, what would people say? get over it.

[Tiffanys]

It's not "because I'm not used to it" dipshit, it's because it physically cannot detect input from fingernails. God, you're such a moron. Just stop replying to my posts and save me a headache.

And when I had a phone, 90%+ of what I used it for was texting, posting on forums, instant messaging, e-mail, or browsing the web. So uh.... pretty much the entire fucking time.

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[metro.]

Tiff, while I'm a guy and thus don't have long nails, lots of girls I know do have long nails, and still manage to function just fine on a touch screen.

Maybe it's just practice, I don't know.

[Tiffanys]

Maybe you just assume they function "just fine" on a touch screen. Ask them about it and see how frustrating they think it is not being able to type with their nails.

Whatever the case, it doesn't really matter. That's like saying because pants are "in" I should just "get used to it" and stop wearing skirts.

[kitamesume]

uhh, how did i became a moron again?
if you look at it from people who are "used to it" they don't complain much about the touchscreen not being able to use their (short)nails.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2010/03/iphone-user-types-incredible-83-wpm-attributes-speed-to-capacitive-touch-screen.html

as for long nails, theres techniques for that.

theres even other options like a stylus, touch gloves, maybe this or this.

lol sure, although i missed the time when phones was pretty much all call and nothing else.

PS: your post, my thread, thankyou for messing it up.

[Tiffanys]

I've already seen those things. What the hell's up with people trying to fight me about the type of phone or features I'd prefer?

You asked what we used and what we like best... I didn't realize this thread was "conform to kitamesume's phone preferences or get lost."

If you don't like phones with QWERTY keypads then don't use one. It doesn't mean you have to nerdrage at someone who prefers something else... sheesh. How immature. >_>

[kitamesume]

uh no, all i'm offended about is the claim of 95% of smartphones is an "iclone", so yeah.

[Tiffanys]

It's a specific type of cellphone design, which conforms to this:


If it falls within that category, you can call it whatever the hell you want, but it doesn't negate that.

Just google "smartphones 2012"



So uh... well then. 

[kitamesume]

well now, if thats what you'd think then would you justify what people says about those new mangas thats 90% similar to naruto, bleach and onepiece as being their ripoffs?

eitherway, nope they're just adapting a "standard", it doesn't mean they're ripping off a design, its because that design itself is whats the most space efficient.
you don't regularly use the keypad on most applications other than what you've mentioned, yet what would be the use of a built-in keypad occupying 50-70% of the front area's space then?

watching videos for one doesn't need a keypad but a large screen is better, majority of the android games prefers larger screens.

don't get me wrong though, designs that has a sliding/hinge keyboard does have it's plus, but they lose the area where they can fit a good sized battery or else the handset gets too thick.

[mrdkreka]

It's a specific type of cellphone design, which conforms to this:

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If it falls within that category, you can call it whatever the hell you want, but it doesn't negate that.

LG prada was out before the iphone with that design, heck having camera on the front is something the iphone got a lot later than the competition. The iphone doesn't even have a logo on the front as your picture, and your picture doesn't even look like an iphone, especially not the first generation. As someone who have been studding production development, reading your comment about every smartphone being a iphone clone makes me want to shoot myself

Just admit than you are wrong about calling 95% of smartphone for iClone, however you are right in it being hard to use captive screen with long nails, also one of the reason why the galaxy note sold so well(stylus).

My phone galaxy nexus.
My 5 most used apps:

• gReader
• Foobar2000 controller pro
• google drive
• Swiftkey
• Evernote.

[Tiffanys]

I don't care who ripped who off, I'm just attributing a name for a specific design. And to be honest, that post on page 2 was the first time I ever even used the term, so it's not exactly like I'm fervently attached to it.

Really, call it whatever you want. I couldn't care less. But you've drawn your own thread so far off topic now in your own little temper tantrum that you completely missed the entire point of why I even mentioned it in the first place. Allow me to annotate it for you:

I don't like the new touchscreen only(...) model of phone(...) I need a physical qwerty keyboard on my phone for that tactile feel(...)

I have long nails. I type so slowly and inaccurately with my fingertips that it's not even worth the time that it takes to type. And I'm not about to get rid of my beloved french mani just so I can type on a damn phone.

I won't use any device that requires I type using a touchscreen. Even if they could detect nail input, I prefer being able to feel something physically go down.

Get it yet?

As for manga, I'd call them bishōnen. They're the same genre. Though the allusion to phone models would be incorrect. In the phone reference, they're similar in appearance, but different under the hood. With anime genre, they're similar under the hood due to common plot elements that group them into that genre, but their appearance is fairly different. It's actually a completely polar relation. Not to mention that the bishōnen genre was established prior to the creation of said mentioned series while the specific iPhone style cellphone wasn't.

I don't know if the iPhone was the very first of its kind, but it was the one that popularized it. It's for that very same reason that most MMO's are called "WoW clones" if they have similar elements although WoW was certainly not the first to employ those elements.

Ah but on clicking Preview it seems that mrdkreka has pointed out what "the first" one was with that design. Unimportant, really, but there you go. But, now it looks like I'll need to reply to them...

LG prada was out before the iphone with that design, heck having camera on the front is something the iphone got a lot later than the competition. The iphone doesn't even have a logo on the front as your picture, and your picture doesn't even look like an iphone, especially not the first generation. As someone who have been studding production development, reading your comment about every smartphone being a iphone clone makes me want to shoot myself

Just admit than you are wrong about calling 95% of smartphone for iClone, however you are right in it being hard to use captive screen with long nails, also one of the reason why the galaxy note sold so well(stylus).

While that's all well and good, unfortunately I can't admit that I'm wrong about something that I never actually said to begin with. To quote every instance of any similarity from my first post in this thread onwards:

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I don't like the new touchscreen only bullshit all these new iClones have (I'm calling them that cause they're all clones of that same garbage model of phone).

So any future phone that is touchscreen only is relegated to being an iClone?

If it's ~90%+ similar to this, then yes:

You're the one being stupid, prescribing one thing to everything. "Oh, well if you call touchscreen only smartphones that look 95% similar to an iPhone an iClone then your face is hitler hur dur dur" (...)

I call them iClones (which honestly was a whimsical joke to begin with, like people calling Microsoft Micro$oft or Microsuck) because iPhone was the first one that came out with that stupid design, after which everyone copied them. They're essentially the same exact phone version in version out with slightly different firmware and hardware. They all feature the same 90%+ similar design I showed above and are totally useless to anyone with long nails.

If you look at that screenshot earlier, even if you compare it to a full qwerty one like this one:
(...)
The base model of it is 90% similar. The speaker/logo and random button areas are exactly in the same spot, screen and size almost exactly the same.

It's a specific type of cellphone design, which conforms to this:

If it falls within that category, you can call it whatever the hell you want, but it doesn't negate that.

And so essentially, I can't admit that I'm wrong about something I was misquoted as having said to begin with.

[kitamesume]

As for manga, I'd call them bishōnen. They're the same genre. Though the allusion to phone models would be incorrect. In the phone reference, they're similar in appearance, but different under the hood. With anime genre, they're similar under the hood due to common plot elements that group them into that genre, but their appearance is fairly different. It's actually a completely polar relation. Not to mention that the bishōnen genre was established prior to the creation of said mentioned series while the specific iPhone style cellphone wasn't.

no since i'm simply asking if you justify such saying "this is naruto/bleach/onepeice ripoff piece of shit" people gets to say whenever theres a new manga thats identical to them, if no then you're really something.

as for mangas themselves having similarities there are, plot line being the same but the actual progress differs(the old me-hero-save-world), same settings/theme (dat ninja theme), same art (identical to some degree at least) and so on.
if you relate it to your iclone scenario, settings/theme = concept | plot line & progress = content | art = appearance.
now:
concept = its a smartphone
content = its a dualcore with blablabla
appearance = ohh it looks like an iphone ripoff

[Tiffanys]

You're really grasping now, eh?

Why don't you just drop it and get back on topic? This is becoming bothersome. The only one that even cares about such an insignificant semantical distinction is you.

I already explained my meaning. I can't even justify this retarded conversation to begin with. I have no intention of continuing on this ridiculous tangent.

Talk about anal retentive, man. Sheesh.

[GoGeTa006]

I didnt read all of the previous posts but I sensed Tiff getting angry over long nails,

I have the solution, tiff. its called super sensitive touch screens, I believe the new generations have it now (nokia 920 and I believe Galaxy S4 will have it)

anyways, this things are supposed to be nail friendly and glove friendly and things-that-arent-usually-detected friendly, but anyways, theres also the LG Mach as I said earlier


It has android 4.0 (jellyrancher? or something)
anyways. . .

I am still mad about big smartphones

I want a fucking phone not a gaming rig in my pocket. . . Manufacturers are forgetting:

there are 3 SEPARATE groups:

- Cellphone/Smartphone market
- Tablet market
- Computer market

. . . trying to condense a full tablet into a phone is not useful. . .and an octa core? who needs that much computing power? I mean I dont need 1080p in a fucking 4.5" display. . .
as stated by my good ol' friends at apple:

after 280?(ish) ppi the human eye cannot detect a pixel at 12", which is why the retina display has that density. . .which is why the iphone 5 still has that retina display instead of the more advanced one that samsung/competitors released. . .


I mean . . .whats next? 4k resolution 7" phones that dont fit in anyone's pocket anymore?

[Tiffanys]

I didnt read all of the previous posts but I sensed Tiff getting angry over long nails,

Nah, that's not it at all. The tl;dr is that kitamesume was getting all mad over me grouping phones with an iPhone-like design into a category and jokingly calling them iClones.

[Saras]

I'm not a fan of the iPhones design for a different reason. Its a bit too rounded for my taste, it looks too feminine in my eyes if that makes any sense. I much prefer the Lumia 920 or the Xperia look. Even if it's very similar.

As for nails, phones with hypersensitive toutchscreens exist. You can use fingernails and gloves and the like on them. Oh right gogeta said that before me.

[mrdkreka]

there are 3 SEPARATE groups:

- Cellphone/Smartphone market
- Tablet market
- Computer market

. . . trying to condense a full tablet into a phone is not useful. . .and an octa core? who needs that much computing power? I mean I dont need 1080p in a fucking 4.5" display. . .

few things,
1. Only 5% of the time people spent on their smartphone they use its for phone functions, the rest of the time people do things where a big screen is a benefit.
2. the octa core is actually two quad core, in the sense that only one of them will run at a time. One is for being to save battery(Cortex-A7), the other is used for task that take a lot of power like gaming(Cortex-A15).

as stated by my good ol' friends at apple:

after 280?(ish) ppi the human eye cannot detect a pixel at 12", which is why the retina display has that density. . .which is why the iphone 5 still has that retina display instead of the more advanced one that samsung/competitors released. . .

Your friend is very misinformed, read this. You shouldn't believe all marketing BS you see or hear.

No that isn't the reason why the iPhone still have that display, it is because a screen with higher PPI doesn't exist at the moment at a 4 inch size.

[kitamesume]

I didnt read all of the previous posts but I sensed Tiff getting angry over long nails,

Nah, that's not it at all. The tl;dr is that kitamesume was getting all mad over me grouping phones with an iPhone-like design into a category and jokingly calling them iClones.

hah, its similarly how people call anyone black as (slang)niggers. pretty much what you're doing is racism really.
eitherway, if you hadn't posted such a stupid comment to begin with this wouldn't have happened at all, denial is futile.

there are 3 SEPARATE groups:

- Cellphone/Smartphone market
- Tablet market
- Computer market

. . . trying to condense a full tablet into a phone is not useful. . .and an octa core? who needs that much computing power? I mean I dont need 1080p in a fucking 4.5" display. . .

few things,
1. Only 5% of the time people spent on their smartphone they use its for phone functions, the rest of the time people do things where a big screen is a benefit.
2. the octa core is actually two quad core, in the sense that only one of them will run at a time. One is for being to save battery(Cortex-A7), the other is used for task that take a lot of power like gaming(Cortex-A15).

i bumped the Raspberry Pi Media Player thread a while back about the octa core exynos, the extra four cores can co-work with the four muscle cores if needed.
its actually quite useful, seemingly current designs with the phantom 5th core works on the same principle minus co-working with the four main cores, it works well on light loads because you can physically shutdown all the power-hungry cores, and even get enough muscle during heavy loads on the go.

[GoGeTa006]

there are 3 SEPARATE groups:

- Cellphone/Smartphone market
- Tablet market
- Computer market

. . . trying to condense a full tablet into a phone is not useful. . .and an octa core? who needs that much computing power? I mean I dont need 1080p in a fucking 4.5" display. . .

few things,
1. Only 5% of the time people spent on their smartphone they use its for phone functions, the rest of the time people do things where a big screen is a benefit.
2. the octa core is actually two quad core, in the sense that only one of them will run at a time. One is for being to save battery(Cortex-A7), the other is used for task that take a lot of power like gaming(Cortex-A15).

yes I can see that only 5% goes into the phone part and 95 into the smart part. . .

still, if I am going to be carrying around something that doesnt fit comfortably in my pocket I'd rather walk around with my iPad or any Tablet. IMO Smartphones are good for:
- Quick net searches (a bigger screen isnt necessary, pinch to zoom) (includes showing a viral video to a friend)
- Quick memos and stuff
- Playing angry birds or some "I-have-to-kill-15-minutes-before-class" games
- Oh, and make calls!

even though things 1-3 COULD be better in a bigger screen, I still stand behind my saying that a 1080p resolution isnt necessary, and these are supposed to be  "quickies" and then go back to the pocket
- If you want to surf the web get a tablet or a laptop or a smart TV
- If you want to write a word/excel/ppt use a laptop or a PC or a tablet
- If you want to play good games get a console or a PC

Soon we'll have people using Adobe Premiere and aftereffects in their " 8 core 4.5 Ghz + 1 GB dedicated Nvidia GTX 880+ " 5.9" Samsung Galaxy S6 or something. . . and even though I'd be amazed at seeing a phone do that. . .I dont think its practical.

I guess my rant is about the definition of a smartphone. . .(I put more emphasis in the fact that its an advancement to cellphones not an advancement in tablets)

[metro.]

We live in a world where practicality isn't the reason for development of most things.

Get used to it.