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Offline Slysoft

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IPS display
« on: October 05, 2012, 01:23:22 AM »
So, I'm in the market for a new monitor. Back home I have an old 21.5" asus lcd screen. Nowadays they sell basically the same thing with LED backlit, or for about the same price you can buy an IPS display. I've heard that IPS technology has much better picture quality than an LCD, but at a higher cost. However, for this monitor to cost about the same as a typical LCD screen makes me wonder where they cut corners. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of display?

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 02:04:09 AM »
none, but if you'd grab one look into Dell's 23" ultrasharp, they've been out for a long long time and many reviews have appeared, and it rates quite high.

although, theres a few cutting corners i hear on cheapo IPS:
backlight bleeding seems to be a problem on most of them
ultra thin cabinet and poor material use that you can practically bend the whole monitor
under equiped inputs although this isn't limited to IPS monitors (hey they should make D-Sub(legacy support) + DVI + displayPort a standard)
cutting in materials under the pretense of "going-green"
« Last Edit: October 05, 2012, 02:16:11 AM by kitamesume »

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 02:49:24 AM »
The points kita mentions are definitely possible. If you need something to compare against, try LG IPS226V-PN, which I can confirm is pretty good.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 11:37:49 AM »
The main cause of the price drop that occurred sometime in 2010 was LG’s new economical e-IPS panel. In typical iterations this is a 6-bit panel, with FRC dithering to fill an 8-bit colour space—the same kind of technology in use in current TN panels. (For the less jargon-inclined, this means it uses 64 levels of brightness to simulate 256 levels). Mind you: though LG manufactures the panel, it doesn’t mean that only LG monitors use them — they’re found in quite a number of other monitors as well.

Can you perceive the difference between these 6-bit+FRC panels vs their higher-end 8-bit panels? Possibly, but if you’re coming from a TN panel, or just using it for gaming + general use, chances are: not likely. Even as 6-bit panels, they already exhibit better colour range, gradients, and much viewing angles than their TN brethren (assuming the manufacturer calibrates and QCs them properly). And the better e-IPS panel monitors seem to have implemented the dithering in a way that it’s pretty much unnoticeable to all but the most visually sensitive (that’s probably not you). But of course, just like with TN panels, manufacturers can also cut lots of corners with IPS panels. To round out kitamesume’s list of places where ultra-budget monitors cut costs:
  • Panel calibration
  • Backlight uniformity
  • Backlight bleed
  • Colour gamut, i.e. range (yes, it is possible for cheapo IPS panels to have lower colour gamut than good TN panels)
  • Material durability and quality (of the panel housing)
  • Internal display processor, scaling quality (how well the monitor scales non-native resolutions, input lag, response time, etc)
  • Input options
  • Other niceties: OSD display, included cables, colour calibration reports, warranty terms, …
Once major brands (Dell, HP, et al) released monitor models using that panel (Dell released the U2311H, their first e-IPS monitor, in 2010), IPS started to gain a bit of a reputation as a budget quality solution. Some brands, e.g. LG, ASUS, started to jump on that by shipping monitors with more corner-cutting. Today, this means that in the low-end IPS space, one cannot be entirely sure that IPS == quality.

If you want decent quality without too much legwork, stick with a reputable brand, namely Dell Ultrasharps and HP ZR-series monitors (for mid-range IPS monitors). (For the skeptics, the Ultrasharps and ZR-series are Dell’s and HP’s high-end monitor models, respectively. Both brands may have terrible reputations in the budget equipment space, but don’t confuse that with the quality of their higher-end offerings). ASUS, LG, AOC, unheard-of Korean imports, etc, be sure to do your research before putting your money down. Just like with technology in any other sector, you get what you pay for.

[edit] corrected brightness levels per http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=36214.msg4825073#msg4825073
« Last Edit: October 06, 2012, 02:40:51 AM by kureshii »

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 07:44:18 PM »
In typical iterations this is a 6-bit panel, with FRC dithering to fill an 8-bit colour space—the same kind of technology in use in current TN panels. (For the less jargon-inclined, this means it uses 256 levels of brightness to simulate 1024 levels).

Maybe I'm missing something here, but 6-bit dithered to 8-bit would be using 64 levels to simulate 256 levels, wouldn't it? Or do you quadruple the number of brightness levels because of how IPS works?

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 08:37:29 PM »
none, but if you'd grab one look into Dell's 23" ultrasharp, they've been out for a long long time and many reviews have appeared, and it rates quite high.
I've got two of these U2312HMs. Loving them.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2012, 02:41:28 AM »
In typical iterations this is a 6-bit panel, with FRC dithering to fill an 8-bit colour space—the same kind of technology in use in current TN panels. (For the less jargon-inclined, this means it uses 256 levels of brightness to simulate 1024 levels).

Maybe I'm missing something here, but 6-bit dithered to 8-bit would be using 64 levels to simulate 256 levels, wouldn't it? Or do you quadruple the number of brightness levels because of how IPS works?
You're right. I was thinking 8-bit vs 10-bit displays subconsciously at that point, lol. Earlier post corrected, thanks.

(Although to be anally, technically precise, 3×8-bit RGB actually provides more than 2^8 levels of brightness due to the multiple ways you can mix R, G, and B pixels … useful to know when desaturating coloured photos to grayscale. But I digress.)
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Re: IPS display
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 03:06:27 AM »
Yeah, I've heard great things about Dell's Ultrasharps, but unfortunately for me they don't have hdmi inputs, which I need

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 04:09:01 AM »
HDMI-DVI adapters aren’t that pricey.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 05:41:48 AM »
HDMI to DisplayPort works too i think if you want audio, although the dell doesnt have any speakers for it to be a concern.

why HDMI though.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 12:39:26 PM »
HDMI to DisplayPort works too i think if you want audio, although the dell doesnt have any speakers for it to be a concern.

It doesn't work both ways easily. I've found that DisplayPort output from the computer can be converted to HDMI input in your monitor through a cheap passive converter, but I've had a world of trouble trying to find a converter that can go the other way, active or passive.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 01:03:08 PM »
none, but if you'd grab one look into Dell's 23" ultrasharp, they've been out for a long long time and many reviews have appeared, and it rates quite high.
I've got two of these U2312HMs. Loving them.
Definitely a good pick, only problem is its AG-coating is a bit to strong, but then again this is a standard problem for pretty much all monitors.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2012, 03:47:18 PM by mrdkreka »
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Re: IPS display
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 04:55:12 AM »
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I got one of these:

Dell UltraSharp U2412M IPS Panel 24" 8ms

It's pretty fucking glorious.  I really wanted a 1920x1200 native resolution, and this one was the closest thing to affordable that I managed.  Went on special for $290 & I had a 15% off coupon, so there really wasn't any competition.

It uses "IPS technology and LED backlight," which is not 'true' IPS.  You'd need to look at a whole new price bracket for that:

Dell UltraSharp IPS-panel U2410 24" 6ms HDMI

I consider the one I got (as do many other people) to be "entry level, semi-pro" gear.  If I was a "real" graphics professional, I'd be looking at the second choice or even moving into the $1000 bracket.


The one I got (U2412M) is lightweight, 24" is luxurious screen real estate, has all the adjustment options anyone could want, has excellent onscreen controls for calibration, quite thin, rotates to portrait mode ... I wish I had two of these.  Next year I hope to.

I really like the anti-glare coating on it.  That's a deal-maker for me.  Glossy screens are impossible for me to work productively on.  All my monitors have anti-glare, and this one is the best of the lot.  It is a bright & vibrant experience.

Having had it for three months now, the lower right corner has developed a very faint bleed through.  It's barely noticeable and has no impact on functionality or movie/anime viewing experience.


The only other monitor that was close was HP ZR2440w 24" 6ms (GTG) HDMI, but it remained about $100 more at all times and I was already stretching my budget.  From what I've read, it's pretty much a match for the Dell U2412M; same IPS tech + LED backlight hybrid, but w/ slightly faster response time.

I'm not a gamer in any sense of modern, fast, cutting edge shit ... and, from what I've read, there doesn't seem to be a noticeable difference between these Dell & HP models.
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Re: IPS display
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 01:51:15 PM »
I guess it doesn't have to be hdmi, but I use my monitor to use my ps3 as well and it's the easiest way to hook it up. I could always get an hdmi to dvi but it doesn't have two dvi ports either.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2012, 02:02:26 PM »
I guess it doesn't have to be hdmi, but I use my monitor to use my ps3 as well and it's the easiest way to hook it up. I could always get an hdmi to dvi but it doesn't have two dvi ports either.

do it like this, use the DisplayPort for PC input, and DVI for PS3/PSP input.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
What's the average price point of the Ultrasharps?

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2012, 05:46:38 PM »
tried checking newegg?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007617%2050010772&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&SrchInDesc=ultrasharp&Page=1&PageSize=20

depends on size and which model, 24" LED goes as low as 300$ while 24" CCFL goes as far as 500$.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2012, 06:15:20 PM »
That second one looks pretty nice, actually.
Never heard of CCFL.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2012, 06:18:18 PM »
That second one looks pretty nice, actually.
Never heard of CCFL.
Cold-cathode fluorescent lamp.  The vast majority of LCD displays use them for backlighting.

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Re: IPS display
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2012, 06:57:03 PM »
i wonder when they'd implement true LED panels though, literally cramping RGB leds on each pixel and eliminating TFT panels all together.

i see them on huge-ass ads-boards so they are existing.

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