Author Topic: Watching unconverted anime on an S3? Possible? (Read 1510 times)

EmptyMemory · « **on:** October 08, 2012, 07:36:17 PM »

Hey, just wondering if you guys knew anything about watching unconverted anime on an S3. If there isn't a way to do it, what methods do you suggest for converting anime into something more S3-friendly?

Southrop · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2012, 08:05:36 PM »

My friend has watched Fate/Zero (10-bit) 720p on his S3 no problems.

Bob2004 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:06:00 PM »

MX Player will likely be able to play most of it. How well the S3 will be able to cope is another question entirely of course, and one I can't answer.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:36:49 PM »

Interesting. I wasn't aware phones could play large resolution video files.

EmptyMemory · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:53:02 PM »

The MX Player suggestion was pretty good, but I'm having some issue with the higher resolution videos. When I bumped down the resolution to 420p, it made a world of difference though.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:59:55 PM »

Less processing power to resizing, obviously.

Bob2004 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2012, 11:04:26 PM »

Yeah, I wouldn't have thought even the S3 could play much more than low-bitrate 720p at the very most without problems, assuming you Canadians get the same crappy dual-core version as the people in the US, but it should easily be able to play 480p. I watch 480p anime on my HTC Desire all the time.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2012, 03:22:47 AM »

I tried to play a 480p TV encoded file from Amagami SS, or at least few episodes, I get hiccups every few seconds playing it through MX. It's a dual-core 1Ghz each. Is there something I can do to get rid of the hiccups?

kitamesume · « **Reply #8 on:** October 09, 2012, 03:48:07 AM »

tone down the multi-tasking? =D

although i'm still curious, if those processors could manage Hi10P 720p that even zacates suffocates to do how strong are those freaking processors... my hunch is the refined algorithms of the decoders or something like that.

Dhruv · « **Reply #9 on:** October 09, 2012, 03:57:22 AM »

Iirc S3 has a quad core processor. Should be enough to play Hi10P 1080p videos. I wonder why you are getting those hiccups.

kitamesume · « **Reply #10 on:** October 09, 2012, 04:18:38 AM »

Quote from: Dhruv on October 09, 2012, 03:57:22 AM

Iirc S3 has a quad core processor. Should be enough to play Hi10P 1080p videos. I wonder why you are getting those hiccups.

US version only has dual core, sorry but it does make sense.

Dhruv · « **Reply #11 on:** October 09, 2012, 04:30:18 AM »

They are giving Dual core to USA and Quad core to India?! O.o
Usually it's the exact opposite.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2012, 04:44:00 AM »

Quote from: Bob2004 on October 08, 2012, 11:04:26 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't have thought even the S3 could play much more than low-bitrate 720p at the very most without problems, assuming you Canadians get the same crappy dual-core version as the people in the US, but it should easily be able to play 480p. I watch 480p anime on my HTC Desire all the time.

I'm pretty sure we do, yes. Our networks are just as shitty as the Americans'.

Quote from: Dhruv on October 09, 2012, 04:30:18 AM

They are giving Dual core to USA and Quad core to India?! O.o
Usually it's the exact opposite.

The radio (or something) in the quad version is not compatible with North American networks. Something like that.

lapa321 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:03:45 AM »

Quote from: Dhruv on October 09, 2012, 04:30:18 AM

They are giving Dual core to USA and Quad core to India?! O.o
Usually it's the exact opposite.

Their Quad core chipsets don't play well with LTE radios.

Dhruv · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:11:39 AM »

We'll be getting 4G LTE(probably) in a year or so. That means we won't be getting any further Quad cores are well.
And here i thought i'll buy the next S series phone from Samsung.

FlyinPenguin · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2012, 06:40:00 AM »

The Canadian S III uses the same cpu as our version in the US.

Both 720p and 1080p playback is absolutely, 100% flawless using BSPlayer. 720p 10bit playback is watchable but not perfect. There are slight hiccups on fast moving scenes. I would say it is about 95%. Don't even bother with 1080p 10bit.

Considering how good playback is on the stock rom, I was almost certain an OC would give the extra boost needed for flawless 720p 10bit playback but that doesn't seem to be the case as of yet (not for me anyway). I just flashed the latest official nightly of CM10 and the KT747 kernel. I overclocked to 2106 MHz but still can't quite get flawless playback. In fact, it barely seems to have improved playback, if it all. Quadrant showed a CPU score of 6208 after OC, an increase of 710, up from 5498 before OC.

I am rather disappointed that the extra increase in speed still isn't quite enough for flawless 720p 10bit playback.

xShadow · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2012, 08:38:10 AM »

I have an S3 (for now; still deciding on whether I wanna return it or not) so I'll just list what I've been experiencing:
The main issue with using MX player is making sure that you've got HW or preferably HW+ going on for your decoding. If you use software decoding, it's fucking garbage.

That's also the problem. Every group I've come across besides Horriblesubs can only do software decoding on the phone, unconverted. Horriblesubs is the only .mkv container group that I've come across that actually works on it completely unconverted. For Horriblesubs, I've been playing Jinrui on my phone. I happened to have the first four episodes in 1080p, and then I downloaded the others in 720p. The 1080p episodes played pretty good visually, but the audio would get ahead of the video after some 5-10 minutes of viewing. Nothing a light tap on the progress bar wouldn't fix, so not really a big deal. As for 720p stuff, I have literally encountered no issues playing it back, but it wasn't particularly high bitrate.

To get other groups besides horriblesubs working (ie gg's Chuunibyou encode), I had to run em through XMedia Recode. All I did was strip out the chapters (not sure if it does anything really) and convert them right back into MKV at the exact same resolution and probably with roughly the same codec. The resolution was 720p (iirc), and I had no issues playing it back.

As long as it's not Appleseed or some shit, I think it can work unconverted anime just fine... as long as it can actually read the format without automatically doing SW decoding. I doubt it can play really high bitrate encodes, but I don't really see a point in those on a phone anyway. Just being 720p looks damn good enough on that screen already, and the playback looks pretty damn good for Jinrui; very good colors and good quality.

lapa321 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2012, 10:06:34 AM »

Quote from: FlyinPenguin on October 09, 2012, 06:40:00 AM

The Canadian S III uses the same cpu as our version in the US.

Both 720p and 1080p playback is absolutely, 100% flawless using BSPlayer. 720p 10bit playback is watchable but not perfect. There are slight hiccups on fast moving scenes. I would say it is about 95%. Don't even bother with 1080p 10bit.

Considering how good playback is on the stock rom, I was almost certain an OC would give the extra boost needed for flawless 720p 10bit playback but that doesn't seem to be the case as of yet (not for me anyway). I just flashed the latest official nightly of CM10 and the KT747 kernel. I overclocked to 2106 MHz but still can't quite get flawless playback. In fact, it barely seems to have improved playback, if it all. Quadrant showed a CPU score of 6208 after OC, an increase of 710, up from 5498 before OC.

I am rather disappointed that the extra increase in speed still isn't quite enough for flawless 720p 10bit playback.

Is it playing back in pure software? Or does it still have some hardware assist. That point hasn't been very clear so far, because you normally need a Core2Duo to decode h264 in software, that's the performance a Quad Core ARM has to achieve. Hardware decoding is done via a dedicated video decoder chip which is independent from the CPU. AFAIK, that's like trying to overlock your desktop CPU and expecting your GPU performance to increase.

kitamesume · « **Reply #18 on:** October 09, 2012, 11:48:20 AM »

Hi10P/10bit can't be H-Acc, nothing supports it so far. so yes overclocking the CPU should increase the playback performance, although a mere 13% OC is barely noticeable, you'd need to at least bump that quad to 2.2-2.3Ghz to notice it.

on the other hand, the regular 8bit is indeed being hardware decoded which makes even the 1080p run flawlessly.

Bob2004 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:29:57 PM »

The Hardware+ decoder in MX Player has been able to play every h.264 video I've thrown at it so far. Admittedly, that's only about three series, but it can definitely do it. Then again, my phone isn't powerful enough to handle more than 480p video (and even a couple of them stutter slightly every now and then), and people making releases at that resolution don't tend to push the boundaries as much as higher-res release groups, who have a bad habit of doing things like using more B-frames than the official specification allows, and the like. But most non-bluray releases usually aren't too bad with that, so it seems odd that you can't play any of them, xShadow.

EDIT: And yeah, obviously 10-bit videos won't work in anything but software, and will be harder to decode than an equivalent 8-bit video. Which now I think about it explains exactly why you can't play any of them without re-encoding, since most anime release groups release in 10-bit nowadays. And your re-encoded videos will perform better than the original 10-bit even with the SW decoder.