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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2012, 05:07:54 PM »
That analogy still doesn't quite work.
It should match something more like
- larger resolution for when graphics supports larger resolutions
- smaller resolution for smaller resolution devices

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2012, 05:11:38 PM »
Still bad, you are dismissing the two to three times larger size. It's like Ferrari which has ... Nah, not going there. I think the difference between 720p and 1080p is pretty clear at this point, even without dressing it up as a car.
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2012, 05:14:52 PM »
The space difference is implied. It's not like I'm trying up a Ferrari analogy or anything <_<.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2012, 06:00:19 PM »
Why make an issue of it? Just watch 720 and 1080 on the equipment you normally use and decide if it's worth it...

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2012, 06:26:45 PM »
Okay i think i should post too since i also prefer the best quality available.

If you don't have any kind of download cap and an excellent connection speed then consider the following.

Download 1 episode of 1080p and 720p each... preferably the smallest one to make it quick.
Take the same screenshot from both of them. Upscale 720p to 1080p and compare. If you any quality gain download the remaining episode of 1080p. If not then download the remaining episode of 720p.

Important Point:-
If only Tenshi is doing a show don't bother to do the comparisons. Just download the 720p version. You don't want 77GB for a 26 episode show. =_=

Edit: Don't forget to pm me the verdict for every show. Will help me too. ::)
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2012, 06:31:00 PM »
77GB is insane.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2012, 06:35:35 PM »
Gosick 1080p. 77GB in size encoded by Tenshi. Makes me wonder why didn't i get the BDMV's to mux in the subs myself.

Best part is that i still haven't watched the show.  ::)
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2012, 06:36:34 PM »
77GB is insane.

yeah, but file sizes like that are not unheard of

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2012, 06:38:32 PM »
Just as a suggestion, perhaps encourage uploaders to at the very least provide one screenie of the same scene when adding screenshots to their torrents, such as they did with this and that, and it being this shot V

(click to show/hide)

Surely it can't be that much of a hassle for the uploader to just upload one for the comparison or agree on more if they feel like doing that.

What I don't get tho is why the images can't be saved. It wasn't hard to get the image either way. Not sure if it's just the lightbox they used that disallows for it or if it was actually intended, but I don't see a lot of harm in it either way as long as you use a decent host, and seemingly it would benefit a few.
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2012, 06:41:54 PM »
77GB is insane.

yeah, but file sizes like that are not unheard of

I know, as I've seen way larger stuff. But still...

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2012, 06:42:48 PM »
77GB is insane.

yeah, but file sizes like that are not unheard of
77GB for Gosick is ridiculous. Coalgirl also released a 110GB version of Cardcaptor Sakura.

110GB is acceptable for Cardcaptor since it's a 70 episode show. ~1.6GB per episode for 1080p and FLAC isn't bad.
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2012, 06:47:56 PM »
2.9GB would better have lots of animation.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2012, 10:18:55 PM »
mornin guys...  ;D
Ive made  my decision........ i wont totally go with 1080p and delete my current 720p archive....
if i really like that particular show and a 1080p version is available then that's the time i'll grab 1080p...
now if only they would include on the file info if its natively 1080p or upscaled...  ::)
thanks you all  ;)

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2012, 12:41:17 AM »
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First, you have no technical barrier to 1080 playback.  According to you, your PC is more than powerful enough.  For the future, you will probably always have this option.  That is a powerful argument in favor of 1080 for an archive.

Second, you say you will upgrade to a better monitor.  What do you have in mind?  I watch everything on a 24" monitor, and I can tell you that almost never does a 1080 look better than 720.  If I was watching on a 27" or larger monitor (2560x1600 resolution), or if I was watching on a 32" or larger HDTV, I expect there might be slightly more noticeable quality difference.  If I ever have a 50" ultra-HDTV, I think that 1080 will sometimes/often be necessary, or even owning original bluray disks.

BTW, a 21" monitor can be bought for about $100 USD, although better quality ones are ~$120-$140, while high quality can still be ~$180-$200.  I consider 24"-25" to be optimum for desktop use, and they run from ~$160 to $400.  I doubt I will ever buy anything so small as 22" or less again, and I will always look for 1920 x 1200 as the minimum resolution.

Consider also the audio.  If you have a really good home theater possibility, then examine the audio quality when you must make a decision.  Often the 1080 has higher quality audio ... but, not always.


At this point, realize that you must make this decision for each anime that you wish to archive.  Sometimes a 1080 encode is better because the source is really good.  Other times (most of the time) the source really is not better than 720, so the 1080 version doesn't have noticeable quality improvement.  For anime more than ~3 years old this is usually more true, for more recent anime this can be less true.

Pay attention to DVD source or bluray  source.  If DVD, sometimes there is not much difference even from 480 encode.  10-bit encodes are almost always better because they are made very recently.  The encoders that know how to use 10-bit are doing much better jobs (usually! =/= always!) than older encodes.  8-bit can still be very good, even as good as 10-bit, but they will be larger filesizes.  It is just one small detail that may help when you must evaluate an encode.

Read the comments for each torrent offer, and this sub-forum is getting some good content to also help:

» BakaBT » Uploaders' Forum » Release Comparison

You say that archive is important.  You should also look carefully at the translation.  Some groups do a better job than others.  So, an one encode might be very slightly better for visual quality, but another might be slightly better for audio or translation.  Again, each anime must be researched.


Disk space: 3 TB is not so huge as you might think.  If you fill the drive with 1080, you maybe can save 1200 or 1500 1080 encodes.  But, you maybe can store 3000 or 3500 720 encodes.  For true archiving, you will want to consider.  I have ~ 8 TB of storage space, about 7TB is used, and about 5 TB of it is anime, anime soundtrack (in FLAC format) and manga.

I'm pretty serious about archiving anime.  I almost never delete it, and a lot of the titles I have are in several alternate encodes.  About 75%-80% is in 720 wit hth rest in 480 or 1080.


For you, maybe watch an anime in 480, then decide if you like it so much that you want it in your archive, then download again in 1080 (if available) or the best 720 you can find.  Consider if you can burn backup copies to bluray media to make more space available on your hard drive.  I've tried to keep an archive on DVD, but 4.7 GB DVD is getting to be small storage these days.  Still useful, but 25 GB bluray media is much more convenient.


Final thought.  You have bandwidth concerns to plan around.  Remember to seed always.  For this concern, 1080 encodes are a good friend for you because they do not hurt your ratio, only help.  If you watch an anime and don't like it, seed it for a couple months until it is 1:1 or better ratio, then you can delete it.

On one hand, 720 is very excellent quality, especially the encodes that are accepted at BakBT.  Sometimes the 1080 is a little better, very rarely they are a lot better.  It is not always video quality alone that is important.

On the other hand, you want these for your permanent archive.  there is no telling what you will watch these on in 5 or 8 years.  Quite amazing video & audio hardware will be avilable then and maybe the 1080 is worth it some day.

Also, BakaBT has a blacklist for licensed anime (also watch this topic).  Because it is available today does not mean it is available tomorrow, so getting the best copy today is sometimes a good strategy.

So.  I did not tell you which encode is "better."  You must decide for yourself.  But these thoughts should help you to evaluate your choice for each anime.
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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2012, 06:39:14 AM »
rule of thumb of mine - "if its a movie, heck 1080p or better and nothing else lower."
why? a single movie ain't gonna eat 50GB of your hdd space =D and theres hardly that much good movies available.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2012, 07:52:46 AM »
My policy on BBT is to get all movies in highest available definition and all anime at a max of 720p. I've always felt that 720p looks "good enough" and the small quality jump going to 1080p doesn't justify the extra space required. Movies are on a different level though - usually there's more going into a movie than an anime episode, and I feel that justifies the extra size. A movie is not going to be anywhere near the size of a full series, either, assuming same encode settings.

yes its true, but doesn't necessarily mean its a bad thing, some upscaled 720->1080 are quite good, to the point of passing an "OK" from moderators as an alternate 1080p copy.

Do you have an example of a show that was only ever released in 720p that has a 1080p upscale version on BBT? I'm certain that upscales are not allowed on BBT, period, but I'm not sure what the newer moderators have allowed through lately.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2012, 08:00:46 AM »
a few of the other series didn't have native 1080p, i forgot which but when i was lurking in the "offered" page i've read a few arguments about if its good enough, a few of them passed.

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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2012, 04:03:11 PM »
^ What kind of arguments :D?

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2012, 04:36:12 PM »
about upscales being good enough with proofs, i guess when some of the series doesn't have a chance of getting 1080p those upscales would get accepted oneway or the other if its really that good.

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Re: 720p or 1080p?
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2012, 07:24:15 PM »
Considering the price of a 2tb caviar black (179.99) you are at less than 10 cents a gigabyte so size doesn't really matter anymore unless you are unemployed