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Bob2004:
By reliable study, I don't mean a full blown lab experiment or something, I'd be happy with anything where anyone has even attempted to apply some kind of proper scientific method to testing which is more efficient. But the only thing I've ever seen to suggest that uTP has any negative effect at all are a bunch of random people on the internet's opinions, most of whom belong to that group of people who rabidly oppose any change that's made to the client at all, regardless of whether it's actually good or bad - and thus tend to just reinforce my opinion that there's really no difference.
I agree with MyonMyon that it doesn't really have a huge effect either way though. It's clear that there isn't a massive bonus from having it turned on, but there certainly don't seem to be any real negatives to it either.
Freedom Kira:
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on November 05, 2012, 09:28:07 PM ---By reliable study, I don't mean a full blown lab experiment or something, I'd be happy with anything where anyone has even attempted to apply some kind of proper scientific method to testing which is more efficient. But the only thing I've ever seen to suggest that uTP has any negative effect at all are a bunch of random people on the internet's opinions, most of whom belong to that group of people who rabidly oppose any change that's made to the client at all, regardless of whether it's actually good or bad - and thus tend to just reinforce my opinion that there's really no difference.
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In that case, I hope you'll find my efforts acceptable. I'm not looking for any kind of bias - I just suggest turning off uTP and ask if they noticed anything about their seeding performance.
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on November 05, 2012, 09:28:07 PM ---I agree with MyonMyon that it doesn't really have a huge effect either way though. It's clear that there isn't a massive bonus from having it turned on, but there certainly don't seem to be any real negatives to it either.
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Perhaps you misread... The statement clearly says that switching to the older client, which is similar (similar enough, IMO) to turning off uTP, resulted in a major boost in performance. The score is 2-1 now, for uTP disablers.
Bob2004:
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on November 06, 2012, 07:05:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on November 05, 2012, 09:28:07 PM ---By reliable study, I don't mean a full blown lab experiment or something, I'd be happy with anything where anyone has even attempted to apply some kind of proper scientific method to testing which is more efficient. But the only thing I've ever seen to suggest that uTP has any negative effect at all are a bunch of random people on the internet's opinions, most of whom belong to that group of people who rabidly oppose any change that's made to the client at all, regardless of whether it's actually good or bad - and thus tend to just reinforce my opinion that there's really no difference.
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In that case, I hope you'll find my efforts acceptable. I'm not looking for any kind of bias - I just suggest turning off uTP and ask if they noticed anything about their seeding performance.
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on November 05, 2012, 09:28:07 PM ---I agree with MyonMyon that it doesn't really have a huge effect either way though. It's clear that there isn't a massive bonus from having it turned on, but there certainly don't seem to be any real negatives to it either.
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Perhaps you misread... The statement clearly says that switching to the older client, which is similar (similar enough, IMO) to turning off uTP, resulted in a major boost in performance. The score is 2-1 now, for uTP disablers.
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He said that switching to an older client increased speeds. Yes, that means losing uTP. It also means going back to a very different version of the bittorrent protocol - they made loads of protocol changes and the like in between, say, version 2.1 and the current release. uTP was just one of them. And, occasionally, it's the case that the older versions work better on certain connections - I'm not sure why, and generally that shouldn't be the case, but it does happen.
It might be due to losing uTP, but since there are so many other things that could cause it by changing client versions, it's likely that it could have been caused by one of the other protocol changes, too.
EDIT: Not sure that protocol was the right word there actually. I'm talking more about the way the client operates than the Bittorrent standard itself.
megido-rev.M:
I think it's the right word, just the one internal to the client as opposed to the BT one.
Freedom Kira:
No, he's right. Protocol refers to a standard, usually a communications one when used in the context of electronics and computers. The BitTorrent protocol hasn't changed.
--- Quote from: Bob2004 on November 06, 2012, 07:24:20 AM ---He said that switching to an older client increased speeds. Yes, that means losing uTP. It also means going back to a very different version of the bittorrent protocol - they made loads of protocol changes and the like in between, say, version 2.1 and the current release. uTP was just one of them. And, occasionally, it's the case that the older versions work better on certain connections - I'm not sure why, and generally that shouldn't be the case, but it does happen.
It might be due to losing uTP, but since there are so many other things that could cause it by changing client versions, it's likely that it could have been caused by one of the other protocol changes, too.
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Fair enough. The score is still 1-1 even, then. To clarify, though, you do not see any difference in performance between having uTP enabled or disabled?
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