Author Topic: Tips to get a better upload ratio (Read 1606 times)

TheHell · « **on:** October 29, 2012, 07:28:36 AM »

never remove any torrent after its download is done(and seed 24/7 ) (this includes moving or renaming files)
get yourself some torrents with more peers
check if your torrent client have a limit on upload and put it on 80% of your maximum internet connection speed or if you don't use your internet for anything else 90% and 95% can be good too(too many seeders and you cant seed much anyways)
I found settings>Queueing>"Seeding tasks have higher priority than downloading tasks" option in utorrent today.
See if disabling uTP improves your seeding performance at all. Be sure to restart uTorrent after doing that.(good one Freedom Kira )
go to settings>Queueing>and set "Maximum number of active torrents" to something big like 50 or 100 then set "maximum number of active downloads" to something small like 4 or 5 or even smaller if you like (1 makes the program finish one torrent before start another)
I recently noticed one more thing that have an effect on upload speed is number of connections per/global so you can go to settings>bandwidth>number of connections and set each option as high as you like.

brunoais · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2012, 08:06:31 AM »

Don't use force start, just use start. uTorrent will efficiently choose which torrents will be in the queue and which ones will be actually seeding.
Upload speed should not be unlimited. It can be as much as 95% of your internet upload speed but don't try using the full 100%, that way your internet for the rest of the programs will be much slower because too many packets are lost.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2012, 05:13:27 AM »

That's a nice summary of about 80% of the help forum's content.

And 80% is the recommended level, not 95%. 95% will choke everything except torrents. If you want to use your connection for anything else, don't set it any higher than 80%.

Keep in mind that the mere fact that a torrent is freeleech does not guarantee that it will be more attractive to people. For instance, I personally prefer 720p anime over 1080p (and I'm sure I'm not alone). The only 1080p stuff I get is movies. Other freeleech stuff includes things like artbooks and certain small torrents. You have to watch the peer counts on the torrents, and compare seed and leech counts.

Watch your connection limits as well. Higher numbers can cause network instability, while lower numbers can choke torrent activity. Experiment to find a good middle ground.

And don't forget to seed 24/7. There are people on the other side of the planet too.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2012, 01:46:28 AM »

Just to add, check that your transport overhead doesn't consume too much bandwidth as well.

ConsiderPhlebas · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2012, 04:19:00 PM »

Quote from: brunoais on October 29, 2012, 08:06:31 AM

Don't use force start, just use start. uTorrent will efficiently choose which torrents will be in the queue and which ones will be actually seeding.

I assume based on scrapes, which means that for a queued torrent you will be unavailable as a seeder until you scrape the next time and realize there's someone leeching. And by then one of those fibermonster seedboxes may already have uploaded a lot

There may be other reasons for Forced seeding as well, like accumulating bonus points if that interests you.

So I don't think it's wise to generalize like that. Like for so much else, "it depends"...

TheHell · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:02:18 PM »

Quote from: ConsiderPhlebas on October 31, 2012, 04:19:00 PM

I assume based on scrapes, which means that for a queued torrent you will be unavailable as a seeder until you scrape the next time and realize there's someone leeching.

well I guess after "step 5" there will be no queue for seeding if I'm not wrong.
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Quote from: megido-rev.M on October 31, 2012, 01:46:28 AM

Just to add, check that your transport overhead doesn't consume too much bandwidth as well.

well the problem is: I cant get enough upload rate and no problem downloading so far.
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still can't get upload numbers bigger than 15kbps

any suggestion?

ConsiderPhlebas · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:44:56 PM »

Quote from: TheHell on October 31, 2012, 05:02:18 PM

Quote from: ConsiderPhlebas on October 31, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
I assume based on scrapes, which means that for a queued torrent you will be unavailable as a seeder until you scrape the next time and realize there's someone leeching.
well I guess after "step 5" there will be no queue for seeding if I'm not wrong.

Well, yeah, you're just "Forcing" in a different way; the end result is the same as if you would have used "Force": all torrents are active and none are queued.

failboat · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2012, 06:08:09 PM »

tl;dr seed stuff

reddead · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2012, 10:07:46 PM »

freeleach, you could get a seed box, donate are also way to get your ratio up also.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2012, 03:54:15 AM »

See if disabling uTP improves your seeding performance at all. Be sure to restart uTorrent after doing that.

Bozobub · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2012, 03:10:24 AM »

"Forced" seeding can often be very useful, compared to simply increasing the number of possible active torrents. I use forced seeding for stuff I want seed forever, and a simple "seed to 1:1 ratio" setting in my torrent client for all other torrents. Forced seeds also show up nicely when you are sorting your torrents.

TheHell · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2012, 07:07:54 PM »

Quote from: Freedom Kira on November 01, 2012, 03:54:15 AM

See if disabling uTP improves your seeding performance at all. Be sure to restart uTorrent after doing that.

20-30kbps with this ^_^

Quote from: reddead on October 31, 2012, 10:07:46 PM

freeleach, you could get a seed box, donate are also way to get your ratio up also.

well donate is not an option for me since I don't have access to any online money here.
could you tell me more about seed boxes?

Quote from: Bozobub on November 03, 2012, 03:10:24 AM

"Forced" seeding can often be very useful

well since I didn't find anything on this one yet forced or not is up to you to try

Philistine · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2012, 02:30:34 PM »

Quote from: TheHell on November 04, 2012, 07:07:54 PM

Quote from: reddead on October 31, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
freeleach, you could get a seed box, donate are also way to get your ratio up also.
well donate is not an option for me since I don't have access to any online money here.
could you tell me more about seed boxes?

A seedbox is a remote computer that you run a torrent client on. The advantage is they usually have much higher upload (and download) speeds than most people's home Internet connection. Allowing you to upload much faster and improve your ratio. You still have the problem of getting good torrents for seeding. Just because you can upload at 20MB/sec from your seedbox doesn't mean you'll get that from every torrent.

A seedbox is a service you have to pay for. They range anywhere from $15US to $50US or more depending on the storage and bandwidth alloted. Most accept credit cards or PayPal or some other online payment.

TheHell · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2012, 07:24:09 AM »

thanks for info Philistine

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Need a torrent experts opinion on "number of connections global/per torrent" how it can effect upload ratio? and how many connection an internet connection can handle?

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2012, 07:51:25 AM »

It's dependent on your service. Opening up too many connections can cause other things using the network to lag. It can also cause your system to lag. Play with it until it clearly doesn't cause issues, then drop it by 25-50 or so for some leeway. You usually shouldn't exceed 500 global unless your connection is ridiculous.

If a large portion of your torrents never see any activity, you might want to try increasing the number. If a few torrents seem to eat up all your connections, drop the max connections per torrent to force connections to be distributed more evenly.

Bozobub · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2012, 08:15:46 AM »

How many connections your client can handle will depend both on your computer's RAM/CPU and the bandwidth of your connection. Each connection uses a certain amount of your PC's resources as overhead, and the same with your bandwidth; you can configure many clients to display this overhead cost with the up/down speeds.

What's counterintuitive is that - up to a point! - more connections generally = more overall speed. Think of it this way: you're "packing" data more efficiently into each data packet, while only one (or just a few) connections might not completely fill each individual packet. The overhead will eventually diminish those returns, however, and furthermore, vast numbers of connections will bog down any PC, so it's definitely not magic, mind you!

My connection is roughly 22 Mbit down/4 Mbit up, and my PC runs a Core2Quad Q9650 ("Yorkfield") @ 3.0 GHz, with 8 GB RAM. My current connection limits are: 500 connections total, 500 connections per torrent (in other words, if 1 torrent is active, it can use *all* the connections), and # of upload slots is set to 4, with "Add additional upload slots if speed <90%" checked; downloads are unlimited, and uploads are capped at 2 Mbit. Setting the max per-torrent to the same as total max connections allows individual torrents to grab more connections, if fewer are active (not just upload slots); uTorrent is very good at NOT inappropriately applying all of them to only one torrent, don't worry ^^' ... Currently, I have 87 torrents in "Forced Seeding", with 10-30 active at any given time seeding at ~75-250 KByte/s. This is all using uTorrent 2.2.1 on Win7 x64 Ultimate. YMMV depending on your PC's specs, available bandwidth, and OS, of course.

Anyway, at those settings, I see absolutely *no* bogging of my PC. Even when simultaneously playing relatively heavy-duty games, such as Crysis 2, I don't find much, if any, performance drop. If it's d/ling at max (~3 MByte/s), I DO see slower net, but only then. I can run 1000+ connections with no issues, but I don't feel much need to

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The 80% rule, btw, is a good one for your upload limit. Any more, and you'll likely bottleneck the "ACK" packets the clients - and in fact, just about every net-using app - send(s) after receiving data packets. If those are held up, the client sending the data waits until each one comse in. slowing down your overall connection a lot; it's a normal limitation of TCP/IP. Limiting download bandwidth is usually not necessary, unless you need to reserve some for another use (an online game, perhaps).

TheHell · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2012, 08:33:53 PM »

well i set global to 500 and i have no ram/cpu problems and I'm using an old laptop. my ADSL connection is not that good either (under 100Kbps download speed most of the time and same for upload)
I was wondering is each connection needs a minimum amount of bandwidth or if it has a maximum transfer rate. with data like this people can manage their download and upload speed better.
and about 80% rule: since I have 2 internet sources I guess there is no need to worry.
more tips for slow internet people plz ^_^

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2012, 08:42:44 PM »

Not exactly sure myself. I assume connection-level transfer rates are managed by the network resources.

Bozobub · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2012, 10:15:33 PM »

Quote from: megido-rev.M on November 15, 2012, 08:42:44 PM

Not exactly sure myself. I assume connection-level transfer rates are managed by the network resources.

Only if you use uTorrent with uTP active (and that's just bandwidth, NOT number of connections).

Personally, I don't like uTP much; I'm quite capable of managing my own bandwidth, thenkyew. But if you like it *shrug* more power to you.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2012, 01:37:43 AM »

What I mean is, if there are two simultaneous connections in general, I assume I don't really have control on how much faster one is over the other and whatnot.