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halfelite:
--- Quote from: mrdkreka on November 19, 2012, 06:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: halfelite on November 19, 2012, 06:08:05 PM ---The ouya if it comes to light might be a good solution the tegra3 should be good enough to push 10bit 1080p. and at 99$ would be a nice price tag.
I just built a mini-itx rig for 300$ although it wont be used for an htpc it can get the job done as one. I still run a hardware player for most of my media, as Anime only covers about 5% of my totally viewing now, So watching it on the pc or putting it back to 8bit is an option I use.
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Tegra 3 isn't strong enough to handle 10 bit 1080p, else I would been a backster too, so I would vote against ouya.
Now I'm either waiting for something like that running a stronger SoC (ex. tegra 4 when that arrives), or waiting on devices/boxes to get support for Miracast, or maybe just build a HTPC.
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am I misreading this thread on xda then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769025
They re saying tegra3 does play it still has some distortion but plays it using mx player with HW+ enabled, I know some will say since there is distortion its not an option. But For someone like me I would still use it, And I did pledge on kickstarter for it though so i will be getting one either way
Chaosbreaker:
--- Quote from: mrdkreka on November 19, 2012, 07:15:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 06:29:55 PM ---@mrdkreka
hmm, it claims to have a tegra 3 with quadcore @ 1.6ghz, since its mod-able, with some additional parts you may be able to overclock it to 2ghz.
although if you want real muscles wait for the up coming ARM cortex-A15 quadcore @ 2ghz.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48248-arm-unveils-power-optimized-2ghz-cortex-a15-quad-core-chip.html
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Doesn't sound like a good solution, when you also have to factor in that it might still struggle.
yeah that is why I'm planning on waiting, I just mention tegra 4, since we were talking about tegra 3.
--- Quote from: Chaosbreaker on November 19, 2012, 06:48:08 PM ---I was actually genuinely surprised to read 1.6GHZ QuadCore wouldn't be enough power to handle 10bit 1080p :-\
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What? if an ARM 1.6GHZ quadCore could handle 10bit 1080p, then that would be pretty damn amazing. I take you don't know much about the difference between ARM and x86 architecture?
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Like I have said before, I am a desktop rig builder. I actually read over the "ARM" part completely, and I'm not familiar with the Ouya other than what I've read here. It makes more sense now that I know we're not talking, for example, x86 onboard CPU's. :D
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 07:22:02 PM ---it is because the ARM processors are an entirely different architecture, even with their quadcore variants.
as for sheer processing performance to decode 10bit encodes, even a celeron G550 is plenty for it. but what worries me is the up coming H.265, considering how people leaped into 10bit encodes once the processing capacity were available... also since this rig should last you a few years, well it would be a waste to upgrade too soon right? as we're talking about 400ish bucks going down the drain. without solid benchmarks all we can do is speculate about this new encode, at worst an i3 would struggle, which i hope is not true.
the GPU actually isn't entirely necessary, even a lowly HD6450 would work. well its your choice.
anyway about the build:
[$189.99]Intel Core i5-3330 Ivy Bridge 3.0GHz
[$114.99]GIGABYTE GA-Z77N-WIFI LGA1155
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$99.99]SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $582.93 ($482.94 w/o gpu)
-or-
[$124.99]AMD A10-5700 Trinity FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$120.00]n/a? i don't see anything under FM2
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $422.95
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Thanks for the build, I'll look into that!
I have discussed the matter with the misses, and I have decided that I will buy a hardware media player for now, since I will be able to recode most 10bit releases back to 8bit, and my girlfriend declaring that "quality doesn't really bother her that much, as long as she gets to watch anime".
I will simultaneously start a nice "build my own HTPC" project the next couple of months, since I in fact do want to be able to watch everything I download in it's native encoding. There are still a lot of things I want to take into consideration. I want the finished build to be remniscent of a "normal PC" as little as possible, in both appearances and most importantly sound production. Also, I want to be able to control the device like I would a DVD player or Media Player, simply by remote control. Since it will be my first HTPC build, I'm quite really looking forward to learn a thing or two down the road.
Thanks for all your efforts so far, I will make sure to keep you posted on my progress! :D
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Chaosbreaker on November 19, 2012, 07:50:58 PM --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: mrdkreka on November 19, 2012, 07:15:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 06:29:55 PM ---@mrdkreka
hmm, it claims to have a tegra 3 with quadcore @ 1.6ghz, since its mod-able, with some additional parts you may be able to overclock it to 2ghz.
although if you want real muscles wait for the up coming ARM cortex-A15 quadcore @ 2ghz.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48248-arm-unveils-power-optimized-2ghz-cortex-a15-quad-core-chip.html
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Doesn't sound like a good solution, when you also have to factor in that it might still struggle.
yeah that is why I'm planning on waiting, I just mention tegra 4, since we were talking about tegra 3.
--- Quote from: Chaosbreaker on November 19, 2012, 06:48:08 PM ---I was actually genuinely surprised to read 1.6GHZ QuadCore wouldn't be enough power to handle 10bit 1080p :-\
--- End quote ---
What? if an ARM 1.6GHZ quadCore could handle 10bit 1080p, then that would be pretty damn amazing. I take you don't know much about the difference between ARM and x86 architecture?
--- End quote ---
Like I have said before, I am a desktop rig builder. I actually read over the "ARM" part completely, and I'm not familiar with the Ouya other than what I've read here. It makes more sense now that I know we're not talking, for example, x86 onboard CPU's. :D
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 07:22:02 PM ---it is because the ARM processors are an entirely different architecture, even with their quadcore variants.
as for sheer processing performance to decode 10bit encodes, even a celeron G550 is plenty for it. but what worries me is the up coming H.265, considering how people leaped into 10bit encodes once the processing capacity were available... also since this rig should last you a few years, well it would be a waste to upgrade too soon right? as we're talking about 400ish bucks going down the drain. without solid benchmarks all we can do is speculate about this new encode, at worst an i3 would struggle, which i hope is not true.
the GPU actually isn't entirely necessary, even a lowly HD6450 would work. well its your choice.
anyway about the build:
[$189.99]Intel Core i5-3330 Ivy Bridge 3.0GHz
[$114.99]GIGABYTE GA-Z77N-WIFI LGA1155
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$99.99]SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $582.93 ($482.94 w/o gpu)
-or-
[$124.99]AMD A10-5700 Trinity FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$120.00]n/a? i don't see anything under FM2
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $422.95
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Thanks for the build, I'll look into that!
I have discussed the matter with the misses, and I have decided that I will buy a hardware media player for now, since I will be able to recode most 10bit releases back to 8bit, and my girlfriend declaring that "quality doesn't really bother her that much, as long as she gets to watch anime".
I will simultaneously start a nice "build my own HTPC" project the next couple of months, since I in fact do want to be able to watch everything I download in it's native encoding. There are still a lot of things I want to take into consideration. I want the finished build to be remniscent of a "normal PC" as little as possible, in both appearances and most importantly sound production. Also, I want to be able to control the device like I would a DVD player or Media Player, simply by remote control. Since it will be my first HTPC build, I'm quite really looking forward to learn a thing or two down the road.
Thanks for all your efforts so far, I will make sure to keep you posted on my progress! :D
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with that plan in mind you can take a look at this types of variants, they're a type of case that looks exactly like a media player, although way bigger in dimensions and slightly more expensive than a regular small case.
[$74.99]nMEDIAPC Silver Aluminum / Acrylic / Steel HTPC 6000S ATX Media Center / HTPC Case
for remotes though, there are certain motherboards that comes pre-bundled with them, notably on asrock motherboards.
as for sound, target motherboards with onboard ALC898, they're nearly on-par with budget xonar cards which is a good thing, you can pair them with high quality sound systems and you won't even notice a difference, this would also save you from spending on a xonar card as well.
Chaosbreaker:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 07:59:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chaosbreaker on November 19, 2012, 07:50:58 PM --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: mrdkreka on November 19, 2012, 07:15:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 06:29:55 PM ---@mrdkreka
hmm, it claims to have a tegra 3 with quadcore @ 1.6ghz, since its mod-able, with some additional parts you may be able to overclock it to 2ghz.
although if you want real muscles wait for the up coming ARM cortex-A15 quadcore @ 2ghz.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48248-arm-unveils-power-optimized-2ghz-cortex-a15-quad-core-chip.html
--- End quote ---
Doesn't sound like a good solution, when you also have to factor in that it might still struggle.
yeah that is why I'm planning on waiting, I just mention tegra 4, since we were talking about tegra 3.
--- Quote from: Chaosbreaker on November 19, 2012, 06:48:08 PM ---I was actually genuinely surprised to read 1.6GHZ QuadCore wouldn't be enough power to handle 10bit 1080p :-\
--- End quote ---
What? if an ARM 1.6GHZ quadCore could handle 10bit 1080p, then that would be pretty damn amazing. I take you don't know much about the difference between ARM and x86 architecture?
--- End quote ---
Like I have said before, I am a desktop rig builder. I actually read over the "ARM" part completely, and I'm not familiar with the Ouya other than what I've read here. It makes more sense now that I know we're not talking, for example, x86 onboard CPU's. :D
--- Quote from: kitamesume on November 19, 2012, 07:22:02 PM ---it is because the ARM processors are an entirely different architecture, even with their quadcore variants.
as for sheer processing performance to decode 10bit encodes, even a celeron G550 is plenty for it. but what worries me is the up coming H.265, considering how people leaped into 10bit encodes once the processing capacity were available... also since this rig should last you a few years, well it would be a waste to upgrade too soon right? as we're talking about 400ish bucks going down the drain. without solid benchmarks all we can do is speculate about this new encode, at worst an i3 would struggle, which i hope is not true.
the GPU actually isn't entirely necessary, even a lowly HD6450 would work. well its your choice.
anyway about the build:
[$189.99]Intel Core i5-3330 Ivy Bridge 3.0GHz
[$114.99]GIGABYTE GA-Z77N-WIFI LGA1155
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$99.99]SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $582.93 ($482.94 w/o gpu)
-or-
[$124.99]AMD A10-5700 Trinity FM2 65W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$120.00]n/a? i don't see anything under FM2
[$22.99]Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
[$59.99]Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC (SSD)
[$44.99]Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
---------------------------------------------
total - $422.95
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Thanks for the build, I'll look into that!
I have discussed the matter with the misses, and I have decided that I will buy a hardware media player for now, since I will be able to recode most 10bit releases back to 8bit, and my girlfriend declaring that "quality doesn't really bother her that much, as long as she gets to watch anime".
I will simultaneously start a nice "build my own HTPC" project the next couple of months, since I in fact do want to be able to watch everything I download in it's native encoding. There are still a lot of things I want to take into consideration. I want the finished build to be remniscent of a "normal PC" as little as possible, in both appearances and most importantly sound production. Also, I want to be able to control the device like I would a DVD player or Media Player, simply by remote control. Since it will be my first HTPC build, I'm quite really looking forward to learn a thing or two down the road.
Thanks for all your efforts so far, I will make sure to keep you posted on my progress! :D
--- End quote ---
with that plan in mind you can take a look at this types of variants, they're a type of case that looks exactly like a media player, although way bigger in dimensions and slightly more expensive than a regular small case.
[$74.99]nMEDIAPC Silver Aluminum / Acrylic / Steel HTPC 6000S ATX Media Center / HTPC Case
for remotes though, there are certain motherboards that comes pre-bundled with them, notably on asrock motherboards.
as for sound, target motherboards with onboard ALC898, they're nearly on-par with budget xonar cards which is a good thing, you can pair them with high quality sound systems and you won't even notice a difference, this would also save you from spending on a xonar card as well.
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That looks awesome and, despite it's somewhat larger size, definitely something I would gladly put on the shelf.
The fact that it's large is probably positive for some larger silent cooling solutions, and could possibly fit a harddisk or two.
My television set hasn't got a great home theater- or even speakerset (yet) so onboard sound is probably just great.
The future might bring something different, but it's always easier to "adapt" than to start from scratch.
Thanks for the heads up, this case looks awesome!
lapa321:
You can probably have the unit constantly re-encoding videos too. A properly encoded video will run off the GPU so the CPU really has nothing to do (audio playback is hardly stressful to a CPU).
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