Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?

[MyonMyon]

I've been using Windows 8 for a few months (the release preview) and I haven't had any issues at all. Most of the haters here haven't even tried it and still they are talking about how bad it is as if they had used it and experienced problems. I can only wish for people to try the product themselves before they jump on the bandwagon and go on hating it.

If you read some win8 reviews, yes, they all speak of supposed problems, but what matters to me is my personal experience. I've yet to run to a program which would not work. CCCP and anime watching have no problems. No driver problems either, though the last time I had some was with winXP. No system bugs or random crashes.

I don't especially like the metro interface but I don't have to use it at all - so why would I? People whining about ugly metro programs? Well, think about it this way: It's just an extra. Nobody is forcing you to use it. Some people will tell you that the missing start menu stinks. Well, if you really want it, just download ClassicShell which adds a Win7 type start menu. I personally don't find it essential.

There are also things done better than the previous windows. I didn't look for a list or review but from my head I can say that the task manager is better. The little I have used the disk manager, it is very good. Windows 8 boots really fast. And being the most recent OS release, you will get the newest versions of DirectX and other Win8-only software (given it's microsoft, this will happen).

If you are buying a new computer and the prices are same, there is just no reason to buy the older OS.

[Mirgond]

If you are using a Notebook you'd most likely want to upgrade due to better battery management.
And Win8 uses less Ram for system.

Anyway, as mentioned above, most people complaining about Win8 haven't even touched it yet, and they are ALL only complaining about the new start-menu.
I'm pretty much used to it after a couple weeks of usage, and I find that I like it more than the Win7 Aero GUI.
And seriously, people complaining about Apps always in fullscreen... It's not like 99% of people use their programs in fullscreen anyway.

If you want to read VNs though you'd maybe have to install a Win XP/Win 7 VM on your Win8 pc, due to some bad coding in some VN engines and Kernel problems with them (Most prominent example: My girlfriend is the president). Most VNs I tried run though.

[MyonMyon]

Apps always in fullscreen? The only apps which are fullscreen are the Metro apps:

    Calendar
    Camera
    Mail
    Messaging
    Music
    People
    Photos
    SkyDrive
    Video

and maybe a few more.

Who would use these apps on a PC anyway? It seems clear that these are intended to use on a tablet. During the 2-3 months I've used windows 8, I've only run a fullscreen app ONE time. And that was when I had just installed windows and opened a music file without having installed VLC yet. If you think win8 will run all your applications fullscreen, you have been fooled.

I have only a few visual novels on my PC but all of them run quite fine.

[Mirgond]

That's what I meant with apps, I would have written programs if I meant desktop programs...

[Bob2004]

Anyway, as mentioned above, most people complaining about Win8 haven't even touched it yet, and they are ALL only complaining about the new start-menu.

You really ought to go back and reread some of the complaints then. As I said, the start menu replacement is only one of several reasons why I don't like Windows 8, and why I won't be upgrading. And I believe there are others who would agree with me.

[MyonMyon]

I'm sure many will agree with you even though it's kinda silly as there haven't been many real arguments against windows 8 in this topic. But let's see what has been said against it:

I recommend opting for Windows 7 anyway - there are far too many problems with Windows 8 for it to be worth upgrading yet, given the choice, IMO.

So there are many problems with windows 8 but you don't tell us what they are? Does not really sound like a convincing argument.

Win8 is kinda ridiculous

No reason given why it would be ridiculous.

XP - good
Vista - bad
W7 - good
W8 - CAN YOU FILL IN THE PATTERN??

This is not even an argument.

With that said... it's intelligent to NEVER upgrade to an OS until it's been out for a good 6 months to a year so all of the bugs and kinks are all worked out and generally the first major service pack is released.

Future updates will of course make the OS better. However, it's not like the current version is a pile of bugs. Personally i've experienced zero bugs and I don't see why someone else should have a load of them. The release should be pretty stable. Would you wait 6 months after a game is out so that every single bug is fixed before you spend your cash?

But many people don't like the new interface at all and encounter problems, so most simply don't bother...

It's somewhat painful to use

there isnt any real benefit to grabbing a win8 laptop, and using that shitty interface bleck

That would depend on the UI look/feel for the most part.

But with Windows 8, you can just skip the garbage unless you're using a touch screen tablet device, cause you absolutely do not want it for a desktop PC. It'll drive you insane.

Metro is, basically, fucktarded.

As expected, nearly every complaint in this thread is about Metro. Yes, many people don't like Metro, this is true. However, even if you don't like metro, it does not hinder your normal desktop usage in any way as it is not required to use the interface while using your PC. Don't like it ---> Don't use it ---> ---> Profit.

The only non-metro-related arguments are that windows 8 has "bugs" and "lots of problems". I haven't encountered any of these and the complainers have given no examples. Most likely they haven't even tried windows 8 and thus make a general complaint about bugs and problems, about which you could complain anywhere.

I have nothing personal against any of the quoted posters. I'm not a windows 8 "fanboy", either. I don't think its the best thing that happened to my PC nor do I think it's that much better than windows 7. I just got it, expecting really nothing special and found it to have some advantages over the previous OS's. But even if it is just a little bit better and you have the choice, why not get it?

[Bob2004]

OK, yeah, sorry, my bad. I obviously got confused about which thread I was posting in. I meant if you read back through the other, 9 page thread about Windows 8. But just for your convenience, I'll quote one of my posts there which sums up some of my reasons for not upgrading:

Personally, it's not just that I don't like the Metro UI, it's a matter of principle as well. I really, really, really do not like the walled garden approach Microsoft are starting to take with Windows 8. They're clearly trying to move towards an Apple app store approach where you're only allowed to install applications downloaded from their own store - they haven't gone quite that far yet, but even as it is only applications downloaded from the Windows store are allowed to use any of the new Metro features. I really don't want them to go any further in that direction, hence, I refuse to support them by using Windows 8.

Of course, the fact I hate the Metro UI is part of it as well - I don't want to encourage Microsoft to develop Windows further in this direction. So I won't buy it. And I won't even pirate it, unless I'm forced to for some reason.

There are other reasons people have posted too, of course. One of the main ones being that it's new and untested. You dismiss that argument by comparing it to games, but the difference between your computer's OS and a video game is that the only impact of a video game crashing is that you may lose some progress; at worst, you can't play that one game. If a bug in the OS cropped up, it could cause all sorts of problems, and for those of us who rely on our PCs in order to do work (I have a huge long report I'm working on at the moment which would be a thousand times harder if I couldn't do it on my PC), we cannot risk an as-yet undiscovered bug popping up and destroying our system.

Waiting 6 months gives all those people who have to be on the cutting-edge time to use it, uncover all the most common bugs, and then gives Microsoft time to fix them. So that when we eventually do upgrade (not that there's much benefit to doing so yet anyway), we can be reasonably certain it'll be relatively stable, and we don't need to worry about risking our work.

This is the exact same reason businesses have for not upgrading to new operating systems at the first possible opportunity. Businesses will all wait 6 months at the very least, often several years, before upgrading, because they need to know their OS is rock solid. If their entire network gets brought down by a previously-unknown bug, it could cost them a fortune in lost productivity.

[MyonMyon]

I didn't actually read through the other thread so I have missed your comment there.

What you wrote, is indeed a valid reason to wait a bit until the service packs. It's true that win 8 being a new OS, there may be bugs/other issues we aren't yet aware of which could be a slight risk if you are using the computer for important work stuff (though you should always have backups of this kind of work). I understand businesses don't want to take any risks of possible bugs. For example my university still has XP on their computers (though they are going to upgrade). It's the same thing every time a new OS comes out.

However, there is a difference between possible unrevealed bugs/problems and the OS being "buggy and having lots of problems". They wouldn't release a bugged product which causes problems to users. I have never experienced these problems yet, and neither has my friend who also got windows 8. That's only two people, of course, but based on our experience I, myself, trust the OS to be quite stable enough for anything I'm doing with it. Even if the whole OS magically got messed up and wouldn't even boot, I would still lose nothing. So if there's a risk, it's a pretty small one. We would have already heard it on every tech site on the web if the OS really had big stability problems or bugs.

[megido-rev.M]

Ideally, perhaps.
Though as far as MS goes, it's give or take on whether a new Windows is robust on its initial release.

[Freedom Kira]

They wouldn't release a bugged product which causes problems to users.

This very comment shows the difference between a new user and a longtime user of Windows. You clearly haven't experienced Windows ME. While it was a long time ago and Windows has not screwed up nearly as badly since, the experience of having gone through ME lives on in people's hearts and will forever taint the image they have of Microsoft.

[kitamesume]

windows7 itself, upon release was so bug-ridden that majority of the apps simply doesn't run, hence the haste of SP1.
the only way to run much of the apps were running them in XP compatibility mode but still wasn't stable to warrant a good experience.

[Saras]

I've been using win 8 as either my primary or my secondary os since may. And to be honest, while I hated it for the first month or so, I'm beyond the point where I can go back to win 7 without bitching about it either. To be honest, win7 just looks and feels plain old.

There are also some kernel optimizations to take into account. It's a matter of fact that the boot up time for win 8 is quite a bit shorter. The system itself also "feels" a bit smoother and faster, but that's subjective.

And what concerns problems, I've yet to come across anything that would have created me too many troubles.

Anyway, what I can say is the the released product is better than the Customer Preview, and if you've been put off by that, I'd advise another look.

[Tiffanys]

Ugh... you are a W8 fanboy, even if you don't mentally accept that you are. Take a look at yourself... you're sitting there on the bleeding edge trying a new OS and toting it to everyone with extreme rage in light of others who disagree with its amazingness. If you don't think that's W8 fanboying you need to just zoom out and get some perspective, sheesh.

With that said, an OS is not a game. A game being buggy won't potentially fuck your entire system or make your life inherently extremely difficult and add hours of searching for fixes. Well, sure, maybe if you just really want to play the game... But let's assume you use it for a work PC - that's just fucking stupid. Now if you want to experiment with it on a PC you don't do important things on, then well more power to you, whatever. But nobody that's worth a damn in computers upgrades to a new OS until at least a year or more after release. Bleeding edge is bad. Tested and reliable is good. Don't put yourself through unnecessary trouble when you could just wait for a more stable release.

And you act like everyone is going to be forced to go to W8, but lemme tell ya... They aren't. A lot of people, more than you know, opted to just completely skip Vista and go directly from XP to W7 and you know what? They didn't miss out on anything. In fact, they were probably a hell of a lot happier in the long run. Though to be honest... Vista turned into a pretty stable pretty good OS in the end after all of the updates. It sure as hell wasn't in the beginning.

Anyways... I'm too lazy to bother explaining why I'm going to pass on the OS entirely, but these videos explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAuvlmPbJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VtNLl6Ca4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU&feature=player_embedded

[Saras]

Ugh... you are a W8 fanboy, even if you don't mentally accept that you are. Take a look at yourself... you're sitting there on the bleeding edge trying a new OS and toting it to everyone with extreme rage in light of others who disagree with its amazingness. If you don't think that's W8 fanboying you need to just zoom out and get some perspective, sheesh.

With that said, an OS is not a game. A game being buggy won't potentially fuck your entire system or make your life inherently extremely difficult and add hours of searching for fixes. Well, sure, maybe if you just really want to play the game... But let's assume you use it for a work PC - that's just fucking stupid. Now if you want to experiment with it on a PC you don't do important things on, then well more power to you, whatever. But nobody that's worth a damn in computers upgrades to a new OS until at least a year or more after release. Bleeding edge is bad. Tested and reliable is good. Don't put yourself through unnecessary trouble when you could just wait for a more stable release.

And you act like everyone is going to be forced to go to W8, but lemme tell ya... They aren't. A lot of people, more than you know, opted to just completely skip Vista and go directly from XP to W7 and you know what? They didn't miss out on anything. In fact, they were probably a hell of a lot happier in the long run. Though to be honest... Vista turned into a pretty stable pretty good OS in the end after all of the updates. It sure as hell wasn't in the beginning.

Anyways... I'm too lazy to bother explaining why I'm going to pass on the OS entirely, but these videos explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAuvlmPbJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VtNLl6Ca4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU&feature=player_embedded

Yes, extreme rage. That is precisely what I have. And for your info, I skipped vista just as I did with ME and used 98SE well until XP had a service pack.

And not really, no. Not everyone could voluntarily opt out from upgrading. I clearly recall the newer laptops having driver issues and the like just as I imagine that it will be similar in about 6 or so months time.

And no. These are not those days, I don't remember having to tweak the shit out of anything for years. It's generally easy as fuck to set redundant interlinked storage systems for the files you care for in case of a crash and burn. Just pick up your tablet or whatever the fuck else and continue on. Also that same stability isn't required either, it's not like I actually use my own computer to do the renderings, calculations or compilations, you've got the cloud and clusters for that shit. The issues of bleeding edge are non-issues nowadays for any home user. If you had to setup a system for a bank? Yes, I'd agree, but to watch anime?

[Tiffanys]

...not all of us just watch Anime with our PC.

[Saras]

And the guy that started the thread and asked the question is.

[Tiffanys]

It doesn't change anything regardless. But just so you can get your panties out of a bunch, I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to MyonMyon.

Watch the videos I linked. I won't bother arguing with someone that has an avatar of a pickle with an afro.

[MyonMyon]

Ugh... you are a W8 fanboy, even if you don't mentally accept that you are. Take a look at yourself... you're sitting there on the bleeding edge trying a new OS and toting it to everyone with extreme rage in light of others who disagree with its amazingness. If you don't think that's W8 fanboying you need to just zoom out and get some perspective, sheesh.

Where did I say it's amazing? Nowhere. This is just a personal attack against me and a really poor one at that. When you have to resort to these kinds of things, the argument is already lost. I have only pointed out that there haven't been many reasonable arguments against windows 8, NOT that windows 8 is the best and everything in it is wonderful.

With that said, an OS is not a game. A game being buggy won't potentially fuck your entire system or make your life inherently extremely difficult and add hours of searching for fixes. Well, sure, maybe if you just really want to play the game... But let's assume you use it for a work PC - that's just fucking stupid. Now if you want to experiment with it on a PC you don't do important things on, then well more power to you, whatever. But nobody that's worth a damn in computers upgrades to a new OS until at least a year or more after release. Bleeding edge is bad. Tested and reliable is good. Don't put yourself through unnecessary trouble when you could just wait for a more stable release.

This is a proper argument against windows 8. I acknowledge it, of course, and have told my opinion in my previous post. Swearing doesn't help your cause, though.

And you act like everyone is going to be forced to go to W8, but lemme tell ya... They aren't.

And where did I act like this? Nowhere. Nobody is forced to do anything so I have to ask you not to put words in my mouth.

A lot of people, more than you know, opted to just completely skip Vista and go directly from XP to W7 and you know what? They didn't miss out on anything. In fact, they were probably a hell of a lot happier in the long run. Though to be honest... Vista turned into a pretty stable pretty good OS in the end after all of the updates. It sure as hell wasn't in the beginning.

You compare win8 to vista which is a fair comparison to a certain point. Though when vista was released, the issues were clear and everyone could for example tell that 64 bit vista had compatibility issues with many programs which then would not work. I haven't yet heard of such serious issues with windows 8, but you perhaps have, given your attitude. Could you tell a few examples?

Anyways... I'm too lazy to bother explaining why I'm going to pass on the OS entirely, but these videos explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAuvlmPbJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VtNLl6Ca4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU&feature=player_embedded

Posting 4 troll videos from youtube certainly helps your argumentation. These are "troll videos" because the makers have made the whole video to hate on windows 8. Anyone who has used windows 8 can see how they are making things a lot harder looking than they are in the reality, trying to make the OS itself look bad. I can post 4 videos hating on ANYTHING. Hate videos are not a proof.

So what do we have in the end? 1 proper argument against windows 8 which I admit to be true, however only to a limited point amongst normal home PC users. The rest of your post is badmouthing, personal attacks, putting words in my mouth and posting noninformative videos. I'm pretty sad that your argumentation skill is on this low a level, but I guess it can't be helped. As I have already said everything I have to say on the matter, I will end my post with a quote:

I won't bother arguing with someone that has an avatar of a pickle with an afro.

Peace out.

[krumm]

And the guy that started the thread and asked the question is.

He got his answer most like.  It is pretty easy to tell that no matter what he picks it will not really make any difference.  Windows 8 will get the same hate vista got, but this time it should not last due to win8 not having big compatibility issues like vista had in the beginning.  I'm not going to use 8 due to using 7 and when you get down to it, it is the same damn thing just a little bit better optimized and a new optional UI to use or skip.  If I was reinstalling and had a free cd key I would use it and I hate metro(its not called this no more but I forget what it got renamed to).

The only windows OS I used that was painfully bad was Windows me, but I don't remember why it gave me so much trouble.  I did not use 3.1, even tho I have the disks.  Ive used most: 95,98,98se,me,xp,vista,and 7 of course.

[surdumil]

I think that Microsoft has named it, "Modern", which is kind of a pathetic joke, really.