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Offline megido-rev.M

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2012, 09:39:37 PM »
That is a pretty lame code name seeing as I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2012, 09:49:47 PM »
... I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to MyonMyon.

You probably should have quoted him. I thought you were aiming it at Saras too, when I saw your initial post, and my initial reaction was basically "wow."

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
Disagree with != troll

If you watched the videos you'd see my exact reasons for disliking W8, considering those videos are what made my decision. Check out the 3rd video in particular.

Basically: Metro is terrible. The OS itself could probably be a pretty nice improvement, but they went and fucked it up with Metro. Go ahead and watch that video... it's not a hate video, it's a review. It actually lists good things about the OS too.

Sad reality is, Metro makes Windows 8 a no-buy for most people that aren't using touch screens.

If they made built-in options to remove Metro and enable the Start Menu for the desktop version then maybe I would actually consider the OS. But as it is, it's just not a big enough leap from Vista or 7 to bother jumping. I expect, personally, that they'll learn from their mistakes (yet again) when they bomb sales and it'll either be 'fixed' at a later stage (1-2 years down the line), or that their next OS will avoid these mistakes.

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I don't see Windows 8 being a huge commercial success because the majority of Windows sells are corporations and no sane Sys Admin will want Windows 8.

One of the biggest arguments against Metro is that it's just inconvenient in a non-touch environment.

  • When you right click something, the contextual menu isn't under your mouse, it's instead down at the bottom which puts extra miles on your mouse.
  • Most of the Windows 8 apps scroll sideways with vertical scroll and if there is a frame inside the window with a vertical scroll then it will break out of the horizontal scroll and start vertically scrolling that window.
  • Some important things are difficult or not possible to find or do with Metro as a replacement to the Start Menu.
  • The organization for Programs is very bad, random, and should be in folders. As it is now, it's a clusterfuck and non-productive.

I don't understand honestly why Metro concerns, sorry "Modern UI", are being overlooked. If they're points that are important to a lot of people, then they're pretty good reasons to either not buy or to wait for official changes.

"Modern UI" should have never made it to desktop. That's my honest opinion. Setting up a compatible OS for touch, that's fine. But don't bundle it on a desktop OS. That's just a design decision that will result in commercial failure.
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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2012, 11:53:10 PM »
If you watched the videos you'd see my exact reasons for disliking W8, considering those videos are what made my decision. Check out the 3rd video in particular.

I don't see Windows 8 being a huge commercial success because the majority of Windows sells are corporations and no sane Sys Admin will want Windows 8.

  • Some important things are difficult or not possible to find or do with Metro as a replacement to the Start Menu.

It's a bad idea to give that as a "review", it's clear from the get go that they're learning as they go. So while it is a good approximation of how the first few hours will feel like for an advanced user that takes the plunge, it's not entirely correct in what it says. That is also a pre-release version.

That one is plain wrong. You can find everything in the metro environment. They just didn't show you how. They did the stupid thing of separating searches into three categories: Apps, Settings and Files. The lot that made that video clearly didn't notice that. So no, it's not impossible to find, but it does uselessly add another click.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 04:52:19 AM »
Stick to Windows 7 and get CCCP. Change settings in MPC to Haali Splitters (personal preference). And that is it.

We bought an HP laptop (Core i3 2nd generation, 768p, 4GB Ram) for my sister on Black Friday. It was a really good deal. The downside to that? Windows 8. Not like I really care. I left it on there and I play around with it to understand how this shitty OS works. The stability is pretty nice, but most third party programs don't work well and it has some issues laying around. I've still yet to try out CCCP with an anime video (is that site down? I can't seem to download the CCCP file off of there).


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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2012, 08:42:37 PM »
I've noticed that Microsoft offers an online "upgrade" to Windows 8 for $39.99 as an alternative to the $69.99 for the DVD available at retailers.

I then looked around at reviews.  The in-depth reviews I've seen are awfully, awfully negative so far.  At this point, I think I'll wait until either the product improves or the next O.S. rev is offered.

Maybe by the time the next one is offered by desktop and laptop computers will suffer from obsolete interface syndrome and will need replacing, thereby eliminating the need to buy an O.S. upgrade.  That's what happened to me for Windows 7 when everything became USB2/USB3, SATA, HDMI, PCIe, SDcard (well, at least Ethernet is still the same old, same old, but now with WiFi).

I'm hoping to skip BlueRay.  We'll see how that goes.
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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2012, 10:20:57 PM »
^ hah! well i'm anticipating for the entry-quad haswells to have an IGP thats at least on-par with my HD6570 which eliminates the need for purchasing a newer GPU! which also leaves the slot open for a later shiny GPU!

although i guess i'd still be sticking with my free windows7 just like how i did so with XP, heh.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2012, 11:23:12 PM »
I've noticed that Microsoft offers an online "upgrade" to Windows 8 for $39.99 as an alternative to the $69.99 for the DVD available at retailers.

I then looked around at reviews.  The in-depth reviews I've seen are awfully, awfully negative so far.  At this point, I think I'll wait until either the product improves or the next O.S. rev is offered.

Maybe by the time the next one is offered by desktop and laptop computers will suffer from obsolete interface syndrome and will need replacing, thereby eliminating the need to buy an O.S. upgrade.  That's what happened to me for Windows 7 when everything became USB2/USB3, SATA, HDMI, PCIe, SDcard (well, at least Ethernet is still the same old, same old, but now with WiFi).

I'm hoping to skip BlueRay.  We'll see how that goes.
your probably pretty safe on skipping the bluray since they have yet to have a 2 dvd OS come out

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2012, 05:21:04 PM »
/Metro rant

You don't really have to use Metro much. The Start Menu is obsolete. Just press the Windows button and search for what you need.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2012, 05:56:31 AM »
Tried windows 8 when dev. preview was released; IMO it would be good for touch screen devices, but was kludgy with KB/mouse.  During the dev. preview I didn't notice any major issues with it running on my laptop, but I didn't like the UI and it didn't last a full day. From what I've seen at that time and from supporting at work is that it's basically the metro UI laid over the NT 6 (aka vista/7) OS and would not expect to see any major issues with it.

If it was me and using a KB/mouse, i'd rather deal with a command line interface than metro.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2012, 07:41:27 AM »
Metro is, basically, fucktarded.
Mean.
I realize what you meant

Man up and take the plunge, it's not like Windows 8 is going any where, besides, the back end is a better. Windows "9", or whatever they decide to call it, will ultimately be Windows 8, but with some minor fixes that change "everything" to us nerds. Windows 7 is pretty much Vista with some minor changes that made us happy.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2012, 10:32:25 AM »
couldn't they make the metro interface switchable? i mean you can pretty much strip windows7's GUI down to XP's theme or 98's.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2012, 10:40:42 AM »
Metro is, basically, fucktarded.
Mean.
I realize what you meant

Yeah, the UI name is kind of unfortunate in a few ways :)

couldn't they make the metro interface switchable? i mean you can pretty much strip windows7's GUI down to XP's theme or 98's.

From reviews, apparently the metro interface can be turned off... to a certain extent.  Kinda like what was done with previous Windows GUI's.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2012, 04:10:11 PM »
Stick to Windows 7 and get CCCP. Change settings in MPC to Haali Splitters (personal preference). And that is it.

We bought an HP laptop (Core i3 2nd generation, 768p, 4GB Ram) for my sister on Black Friday. It was a really good deal. The downside to that? Windows 8. Not like I really care. I left it on there and I play around with it to understand how this shitty OS works. The stability is pretty nice, but most third party programs don't work well and it has some issues laying around. I've still yet to try out CCCP with an anime video (is that site down? I can't seem to download the CCCP file off of there).
I can confirm that CCCP works on W8. Shell integration is a bit wonky but that's part of MPCHC and I see no reason that it won't be fixed in the future.

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2012, 04:34:07 PM »
to sum it all
windows 8 is great if u r buying a laptop with touch interface
and also no need to worry as almost everything works just fine at consumer level at which you would watch animes
so if you want to upgrade then just do it

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2012, 10:48:43 PM »
Personally, I'm doing the same thing I've done with every other major Windows release after Win 98 -- skipping Win 8.  As a desktop user, I just don't see any incentive for me to upgrade from Win 7 at this time.
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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2012, 11:03:08 AM »
Personally, I'm doing the same thing I've done with every other major Windows release after Win 98 -- skipping Win 8.  As a desktop user, I just don't see any incentive for me to upgrade from Win 7 at this time.

Better performance?

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2012, 12:50:24 PM »
Personally, I'm doing the same thing I've done with every other major Windows release after Win 98 -- skipping Win 8.  As a desktop user, I just don't see any incentive for me to upgrade from Win 7 at this time.

Better performance?
the only noticeable performance increase i know of windows8 is it's boot-up time is around 2times faster than of windows7.
edit: most noticeable from a slow harddrive, not much noticeable from an SSD.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/gentlemen-start-your-benches-measuring-windows-8s-performance/
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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2012, 01:09:31 PM »
The System itself uses less resources, since components are only loaded when needed and unloaded again when no longer needed.

Made a difference on my notebook of 0.5GB RAM usage. (Win7 1.5GB vs Win8 1GB Ram system usage, 64bit edition)

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Re: Help with Win 8 feedback buy or not to buy?
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2012, 04:17:54 PM »
^i dunno if thats relevant on systems with over 8GB of ram, people these days with gaming rigs usually has 4x4GB or 2x8GB in them as well.

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