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Starting to build my new rig, looking for opinions
kitamesume:
going with 8350 wouldn't be a bad choice but its not good either, you're sacrificing single threaded performance for more power consumption and temperature generation.
the only reason as of moment to shy away from AMD counterparts is their performance/watts, as with their power consumption comes with heat generation. meaning AMD cards would run slightly hotter and slightly more power consuming than Nvidia's counterpart.
granted that the ITX build is still an option, these wouldn't be such a good scenario inside an ITX case, since an ITX build requires for low heat generation and as low as possible power consumption.
Saras:
Are there even that many single threaded applications left that require the performance of an i5 nowadays?
Heat certainly might be a problem. But if he requires the threads and the budget isn't shifting, I'd say it's an excellent choice. And if we go with the set budget question, mainstream gaming level ITX boards don't really exist, you basically have the choice of going either office or extreme, and those don't come cheap.
kureshii:
--- Quote from: Saras on December 08, 2012, 10:50:26 AM ---Are there even that many single threaded applications left that require the performance of an i5 nowadays?
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Saras, don’t forget that *everything else* that isn’t multi-threaded is generally single-threaded (or performs like a single-threaded application). And that includes the large majority of software OP is likely to use. OS startup/wakeup/resume, installer archive decompression, file-scanning, etc are still largely single-threaded, and the i5 is the clear winner in that category
Besides, the FX-8350 demonstrates no significant advantage over the IVB i5 in lightly multithreaded applications either, where bottlenecks may lie elsewhere (e.g. memory/cache bandwidth). That means that even for multithreaded applications (Photoshop, archive compression/decompression, etc) the i5 stands toe-to-toe with the 8350 in quite a number of them.
The 8350 sees a significant advantage over the i5 only in heavily multithreaded workloads, e.g. rendering and encoding. If this is not going to constitute the large part of OP’s usage scenario (keep in mind that video-editing/CAD doesn’t mean you’re rendering final product all the time), he will be better off with the i5.
A quick look at Newegg tells me that all the 9-series AM3+ motherboards they stock are ATX. OP did mention he will probably stick to a mid ATX tower (I’m assuming this means ATX mid-tower) which doesn’t exclude ATX motherboards, but since he mentioned ITX builds I presume he doesn’t want to just throw out micro-ATX options either. Just another thing to keep in mind, in case he tries to shoehorn an FX-8350 into an AM3 motherboard *cough* ;)
--- Quote from: Saras on December 08, 2012, 10:50:26 AM ---And if we go with the set budget question, mainstream gaming level ITX boards don't really exist, you basically have the choice of going either office or extreme
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Not true. They exist at <=$100 already (H67/H77), and despite lacking OC options are quite "mainstream gaming"-capable.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Saras on December 08, 2012, 10:50:26 AM ---Heat certainly might be a problem. But if he requires the threads and the budget isn't shifting, I'd say it's an excellent choice. And if we go with the set budget question, mainstream gaming level ITX boards don't really exist, you basically have the choice of going either office or extreme, and those don't come cheap.
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"gaming" isn't necessarily a standard, how does a motherboard get a "gaming" category anyway, mostly any motherboard can be used as mainstream gaming component.
as for the budget, unless he wants to go into the extreme route, an i5-3330(the cheapest i5-ivy at the moment) paired with a GTX660(not the Ti), can fit in an ITX case and would provide 30+FPS @ 1080P high or max settings on all games thats currently available while staying affordable in a sense.
Saras:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on December 08, 2012, 01:01:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Saras on December 08, 2012, 10:50:26 AM ---Heat certainly might be a problem. But if he requires the threads and the budget isn't shifting, I'd say it's an excellent choice. And if we go with the set budget question, mainstream gaming level ITX boards don't really exist, you basically have the choice of going either office or extreme, and those don't come cheap.
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"gaming" isn't necessarily a standard, how does a motherboard get a "gaming" category anyway, mostly any motherboard can be used as mainstream gaming component.
as for the budget, unless he wants to go into the extreme route, an i5-3330(the cheapest i5-ivy at the moment) paired with a GTX660(not the Ti), can fit in an ITX case and would provide 30+FPS @ 1080P high or max settings on all games thats currently available while staying affordable in a sense.
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Generally, I'd refer to mainstream gamer boards as those having convenient stable systems for voltage control and the like. You know, something you wouldn't think twice about overclocking. You know, a nice Z77 with some lovely extras.
By the sounds of it, he wasn't going for that much of a budget. I took the i5 vs i7 as 3570k or 3770k, also keeping in mind that he did mention a planned overclock.
--- Quote from: kureshii on December 08, 2012, 12:50:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Saras on December 08, 2012, 10:50:26 AM ---Are there even that many single threaded applications left that require the performance of an i5 nowadays?
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Saras, don’t forget that *everything else* that isn’t multi-threaded is generally single-threaded (or performs like a single-threaded application). And that includes the large majority of software OP is likely to use. OS startup/wakeup/resume, installer archive decompression, file-scanning, etc are still largely single-threaded, and the i5 is the clear winner in that category
Besides, the FX-8350 demonstrates no significant advantage over the IVB i5 in lightly multithreaded applications either, where bottlenecks may lie elsewhere (e.g. memory bandwidth). That means in quite a number of multithreaded applications (Photoshop, archive compression/decompression, etc) the i5 stands toe-to-toe with the 8350.
The 8350 sees a significant advantage over the i5 only in heavily multithreaded workloads, e.g. rendering and encoding. If this is not going to constitute the large part of OP’s usage scenario (keep in mind that video-editing/CAD doesn’t mean you’re rendering final product all the time), he will be better off with the i5.
A quick look at Newegg tells me that all the 9-series AM3+ motherboards they stock are ATX. OP did mention he will probably stick to a mid ATX tower (I’m assuming this means ATX mid-tower) which doesn’t exclude ATX motherboards, but since he mentioned ITX builds I presume he doesn’t want to just throw out micro-ATX options either. Just another thing to keep in mind, in case he tries to shoehorn an FX-8350 into an AM3 motherboard *cough* ;)
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Which is why I've given it as an alternative for the i7 if he wants to go on a budget. I'm quite aware that the i5 is better at the general stuff. Do note that I also said, that if he doesn't need the extra threads, he should stick with the i5.
And I'm also aware that the majority of the things you do on the PC is single threaded, what I was asking was how much of the stuff would actually benefit from the i5. Out of the stuff you mentioned, I'm not certain as I haven't actually checked, but all of that seems to be bottlenecked by the hard drive, not the CPU. Yes, there's single core programmes a plenty, but I can't think of a single one that's as demanding in its calculations, that you'd feel the difference between an i3, the FX8350 or an overclocked i7-3960X and I'm asking for examples there.
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