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kitamesume:
most, if not all, of the Z77 ITX can handle overclocks well enough, although none of them are cheap enough to fit in the budget category.
i'm quite interested in the[$149.99]ASRock Z77E-ITX simply because it has an ALC898 onboard sound, 8-pin 12V power, 2+2 SATAII&III, free wifi module, and the mosfets are heatsinked.
similar MATX or ATX motherboards containing the same features(excluding the free wifi module) does have identical price to this board.

well yeah, i did even recommend going with an i5-K, the build i had in mind.
(click to show/hide)[$214.99]Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge
[$80.99]Noctua NH-D14 (lets just say it can fit)
[$149.99]ASRock Z77E-ITX
[$66.99]G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB(2x8GB)DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
[$229.99]EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit
[$79.99]BitFenix Prodigy
[$67.99]SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W
[$149.99]SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III
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[total] - 1,040.92
(click to show/hide)[$189.99]Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge
[$149.99]ASRock Z77E-ITX
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB(2x4GB)DDR3 1600
[$229.99]EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit
[$49.99]COOLER MASTER Elite 120 Advanced
[$59.99]SeaSonic S12II 430B 430W
[$149.99]SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III
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[total] - 869.93
(click to show/hide)[$214.99]Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge
[$80.99]Noctua NH-D14
[$129.99]ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M (ALC898, thats my reason.)
[$66.99]G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB(2x8GB)DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
[$229.99]EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit
[$39.99]NZXT Source 210 S210-002
[$67.99]SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W
[$149.99]SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III
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[total] - 940.92
as you can see, their price difference is small.

GoGeTa006:
Im probably sticking to the i5 and the 660 Ti, as mentioned the Bulldozers have a very high power consumption (125W) compared to the intel competition. . .
and yes, kureshii is right, I am not going to be doing something that would require 8 threads. . .
and yes I MIGHT overclock a little, depends, as mentioned I want to avoid bottlenecking my computer:
so far (i havent made a wishlist but anyways)
Im looking at:
16 GB DDR3
SSD 128 or 120 whichever is on sale
i5 (Im still debating over Sandy/Ivy)
Nvidia 660 Ti, or if a higher model goes into sale < 300 then I'll probably take that.


but yeah, my biggest concern was the bottlenecking of the video card/ processor, but it seems that build works perfectly.

and TBH I dont think a CPU cooler is necessary in those builds kitamesume, they look good tho. . .If I overclock I dont think I would do it to a point where a stock cooler wouldnt handle the heat. (I have my Q6600 OC to 3.0 Ghz and still runs pretty good on stock cooler)

kitamesume:
if you're looking into that kind of overclock range then an i5-3470 has an overclock headroom of 3.6Ghz plus 200mhz on 4cores or 400mhz on 1core by turbo boost, which ends up at 3.8Ghz and 4.0Ghz respectively.
when you're reaching over 4.0Ghz you'll end up getting too hot on the stock cooler(going over 65c on stressful load).

the GPU would be the bottleneck on games thats for sure, although a GTX660Ti would be plenty for current games to make them at least hit a stable 40-60FPS at high or max settings.

if you'd end up waiting till march-2013 or longer you might want to look into intel haswell, given that they promise a much much more power efficient processor which should indicate that they'll run much cooler, on top of having a slightly more performance per clockspeed.
the thing that interests me on haswell is their idle power consumption promising 20times less than that of ivy bridge, paired up with current GPU's idle of less than 10watts you'll be seeing quite a low standby power consumption.

GoGeTa006:

--- Quote from: kitamesume on December 09, 2012, 04:12:06 AM ---if you're looking into that kind of overclock range then an i5-3470 has an overclock headroom of 3.6Ghz plus 200mhz on 4cores or 400mhz on 1core by turbo boost, which ends up at 3.8Ghz and 4.0Ghz respectively.
when you're reaching over 4.0Ghz you'll end up getting too hot on the stock cooler(going over 65c on stressful load).

the GPU would be the bottleneck on games thats for sure, although a GTX660Ti would be plenty for current games to make them at least hit a stable 40-60FPS at high or max settings.

if you'd end up waiting till march-2013 or longer you might want to look into intel haswell, given that they promise a much much more power efficient processor which should indicate that they'll run much cooler, on top of having a slightly more performance per clockspeed.
the thing that interests me on haswell is their idle power consumption promising 20times less than that of ivy bridge, paired up with current GPU's idle of less than 10watts you'll be seeing quite a low standby power consumption.

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From what ive read, haswell wont have too much increase, I might wait till feb, they have good deals on presidents day weekend usually. . . As you said haswell will have a huge increase in power efficiency but thats not much of a concern. . . Plus their improvement in ivy ended up counterproductive since it got really hot when overclocked. . .

kitamesume:
^no no, it is a good thing, a decrease in power consumption comes a decrease in heat generation, with this in mind you may attain a more broad overclocking headroom with just the stock heatsink. now do you get the cause?

its not only the efficiency that matters on haswell, the introduction of new instruction sets should be handy when programs starts implementing them.


--- Quote from: kitamesume on September 12, 2012, 04:50:30 PM ---if i remember correctly, there were some rumors floating a few months back that haswell will sport quadcores as entry processors (125$) while dualcores with HT would become the budget processsors (<100$), that would mean mainstream processors would be quadcores with HT (200$) and flagships being hexa cores (300$), also enthusiasts would have octa cores (5,00$-1,000$)

edit: now articles about haswell =D
Haswell at IDF 2012: 10W is the New 17W
Haswell: Up to 128MB On-Package Cache, ULV GPU Performance Estimates
Intel's Haswell: 20x Lower Platform Idle Power than Sandy Bridge, 2x GPU Performance of Ivy Bridge
IDF 2012: Haswell GT3 Running Skyrim

Intel Haswell Architecture Disclosure: Live Blog

edit: im all-ears on haswell's GT3, if it can overclock and how much would be the gain from doing so, if it reaches HD6670 levels then i'm in, thats a walking gaming-ultrabook there.

--- Quote ---01:47PM - Haswell extends the turbo range a little bit
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O.O

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--- Quote --- 01:47PM - Finer grained voltage/frequency control

01:47PM - Haswell extends the turbo range a little bit

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these two should put up quite nice stuffs on the non-K i5s.

the problem with ivy bridge getting hot way faster than sandy bridge was caused by two things, one was that they used a TIM instead of soldering the die, the other is the surface area of the die is much smaller which means the contact is much smaller for the heat to transfer.
none the less if you aren't going over 4.0Ghz none of these should be of concern, only going over 4.5Ghz does exhibit scary rise in temperatures, although people still manages to hit 5.0Ghz overclocks.

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