Author Topic: Starting to build my new rig, looking for opinions (Read 2942 times)

Saras · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:19:55 PM »

Also, the 760 isn't likelly to be out anytime soon either.

Waiting is good and I would recommend it. However, only if you're going for the top of the line stuff. I.e. i7-k and a HD8970/GTX780. The mainstream stuff tends to get pushed off too much for my liking. You'll be lucky to get the whole set by August. Hell, the current 660 ti hasn't been out for 4 months as it is.

kitamesume · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »

i was expecting GTX780,770,760,750 to be the early ones out around march to april, Ti and the lower ends would follow up later on, most likely though the Ti would be refreshed keplers (GTX760Ti = GTX680, GTX750Ti = GTX670)

the table i made up from speculating using the 40-55% difference (actually this should've been the real kepler line if only they didnt hold back the GK110)

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sounds about right doesn't it.

edit: is it me or is this thread starting to sound like the 2013 rumors thread =O

Saras · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:47:27 PM »

Sounds optimistic as fuck.

He got his answer by now, doesn't really matter anymore.

kitamesume · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:50:23 PM »

well hey its just a speculation, although everyone knows how god awful is the current GTX650 and below, and that the current GTX680 should've been the GTX660(based from the die size), i'd start looking down on nvidia if they don't do something about it in the next series.

edit: also the TDP, if you check from history, usually the card that gets the top end has a die size of >300mm^2 and a TDP value of >200watts. plus the existence of the GK110 on the server section, well you get the gist of it.

Saras · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2012, 02:58:53 PM »

The 770 is going to be a bit better than the 680, 760ti than the 670, 760 than the 660ti... etc. The cards of one generation tend to be slightly better than the last generation card + 1 grade. Unless proven otherwise, you shouldn't overshoot your predictions.

The die size and the like mean nothing either. Its up to nVidia to put whatever the fuck die it wants.

kitamesume · « **Reply #45 on:** December 10, 2012, 03:14:22 PM »

im not really overshooting things, if you look at it from the server line up, GK104 was so much slower than GK110, and GK104 from the desktop line up is GTX660, 660Ti, 670 & 680, given the fact that the rumors before was GK110 didnt exist until the server counterpart came out, it boosted the probability of GK110 going in as GTX780.

now looking at GK104 vs GK110 from the server perspective.

(GeForce GTX680 desktop) GK104 (1536:128:32 processors) @ 1006mhz : single precision = 3090.4
(two GTX680 equals [K10]) GK104 (2 x 1536 processors) @ 745mhz : single precision = 5340/2 (2670)
(GTX770 speculation [K20]) GK110 (2496 FP32, 832 FP64) @ 705mhz : single precision = 4106 (32.8% increase over desktop)
(GTX780 speculation [K20X]) GK110 (2688 FP32, 896 FP64) @ 732mhz : single precision = 4591 (48.5% increase over desktop)

Ivon · « **Reply #46 on:** December 14, 2012, 05:04:30 AM »

I would say save up and get a video card with at least 3GB of VRAM...I recommend the extra money down and getting a GTX 670 4GB.

And before people go and say "it's not needed".

TSW - Ultra + Tessellation @1680x1050: 1.3k GB
Skyrim [heavily modded]: 2.6k GB
WoW - Ultra: 900MB
-I include WoW because it's an aged game and yet takes nearly double the VRAM it did back in 1.12.1
EVE Online - Ultra: 1.1k GB

Clearly, 2GB is no longer adequate...even though it was only recently implemented as 'standard' (600 series).
Why I think this way, spoiler-tagged so it's not a wall of text:

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Overall, I think this plus a decent video card (3GB+) should do it. I didn't include a case as you may have one, but they're pretty cheap, so the cost won't be impacted that much.

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116774
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144
-PSU Note: Right now my system is using 342Watts (idle) ~ 500Watts (gaming). And it's most-definitely more powerful than the above. So 650Watts should be enough if you get a 600 series (more efficient on power than the previous generations)

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 14, 2012, 05:34:31 AM »

The i3?

are you serious? wouldnt that completely bottleneck a 3 - 4 GB card?

anyways, anyone recommend any cases?

as I mentioned I was just looking over mATX and mITX, just because the cases look "iknteresting" thats what caught my attention, then I found the Lian Li PC-U6 and I completely fell in love with it. . .but its fucking expensive. . .

anyone know other companies that make "interesting" designs, but remain at a reasonable price (under 150)?

metro. · « **Reply #48 on:** December 14, 2012, 05:53:54 AM »

You were looking at New Egg right?
I know a few people that have had good luck just buying a case that's on sale when they order the rest of their build.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 14, 2012, 07:00:01 AM »

Quote from: metro. on December 14, 2012, 05:53:54 AM

You were looking at New Egg right?
I know a few people that have had good luck just buying a case that's on sale when they order the rest of their build.

I dont mind buying elsewhere, that U6 looks os maazing
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112325

dakarv · « **Reply #50 on:** December 14, 2012, 07:53:52 AM »

The i5k is very powerful and won't bottleneck you anywhere for games etc. Only thing you would want an i7 for is using CPU heavy programs (like finding prime number, drawing fractals etc) But chances are the most taxing thing will be games and you will want the money for a better graphics card.

Also a 3-4gb graphics card is just overkill, I don't think Ivon understands how vram works, according to him you would need a 2gb card to play any 1080p content from the number of pixels alone (then you wouldn't be able to play the game because there is no ram left). Ok I sort of misread what you said, not everyone knows what TSW means. Still you manage to show that 2gb is more than enough unless you plan to put a stupid amount of mods on a game and buy a better graphics card just for that game. I use a 580gtx 1.5gb ram which does everything perfectly apart from heavily moded crysis.

Unless you are using 2x 2560x1600 monitors or are not prepared to turn down the settings a little bit on that one game that causes problems then do not worry about vram on the newer cards

kitamesume · « **Reply #51 on:** December 14, 2012, 01:27:32 PM »

Quote from: dakarv on December 14, 2012, 07:53:52 AM

Unless you are using 2x 2560x1600 monitors or are not prepared to turn down the settings a little bit on that one game that causes problems then do not worry about vram on the newer cards

a single 2560x1600 monitor alone would need at least a GTX680 to run on ultra(unless you can manage running the game at <30FPS), go figure once you hit multiples of that resolution.

ram starvation doesn't equate to not playable, the frame rate simply suffers, otherwise people wouldn't be able to play anything on ultra 4xMSAA on cards with 1.5-2GB vram GPUs.

im starting to think ivon is just trolling around.

metro. · « **Reply #52 on:** December 14, 2012, 06:44:40 PM »

Whatever you do, run dual monitors.

Ivon · « **Reply #53 on:** December 14, 2012, 07:13:45 PM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on December 14, 2012, 05:34:31 AM

The i3?

are you serious? wouldnt that completely bottleneck a 3 - 4 GB card?

anyways, anyone recommend any cases?

as I mentioned I was just looking over mATX and mITX, just because the cases look "iknteresting" thats what caught my attention, then I found the Lian Li PC-U6 and I completely fell in love with it. . .but its fucking expensive. . .

anyone know other companies that make "interesting" designs, but remain at a reasonable price (under 150)?

I would not go with this ITX, that is strictly for HTPC (aka Media Center computer).

As for the i3, you can easily upgrade later when cash isn't so strapped. Plus, it's adequate (meets "Recommended" requirements) for most of the games out, including Far Cry 3.

FC3's Requirements: http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=883&game=Far%20Cry%203

@dakarv: That's why I put the spoiler tag. In short I WASTED money because I ended up needing a better video card. Even BF3 was crashing after about 30min of play. It would get up to about 1.2GB of VRAM and just CtD with no errors; same would happen with Skyrim. Got the 4GB and the only crashing that happens is when I drag my arse to bed after hours of straight gaming

FYI: I'm typing this while running GW2 and temps are, CPU: 63c, GPU1: 61c, GPU2: 56c ...in a room that's about 80F (26c). So I know how to run a cool system

So it's more of "spend a lil more now, to save later", I could have dropped (I think) an extra $150 on the GTX 570's Step-Up and gotten the GTX 580 3GB ...instead I dropped an extra $480 on the GTX 670 4GB.
-Note: I didn't feel it was "money's worth" to buy the GTX 580 3GB at it's currently reduced price....that's now discontinued (ie a replacement would just be a refurb...i hate refurb)

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #54 on:** December 30, 2012, 12:24:47 AM »

I was thinking, what if I just get the i5 with no vid card, and see whats up with nvidia mid year?
Do you think an i5 can handle dota2 and cs:go?

Ivon · « **Reply #55 on:** December 30, 2012, 12:54:56 AM »

I don't know. It may, it does appear that all i5 (1155 pin) chips run Shader Model 4.0; DOTA 2 requires Shader Model 2.0.

But you'd be looking at an extremely unplayable level of gaming. Even if you got say an i7 (1155 pin). Intel's tech people specifically say that the built in GPUs are for entry-level gaming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGxMdwJ1Rjk#!). When they say "mainstream gaming" they're talking running a game at a combination of Low and Medium settings....usually Shadows set to Low and Texture Quality set to Medium.

...which frankly leave the game looking like shit.

As for Video cards, look at the prices now for the 600 series. The 700 series will be that plus maybe a 10% markup (just because they can). And I highly doubt any games will test the ability of the 670 or better cards for at least another two years (2015; it's so close to 2013 now).

metro. · « **Reply #56 on:** December 30, 2012, 06:38:01 AM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on December 30, 2012, 12:24:47 AM

I was thinking, what if I just get the i5 with no vid card, and see whats up with nvidia mid year?
Do you think an i5 can handle dota2 and cs:go?

My laptop can handle DotA 2. It doesn't handle it WELL, but it does handle it.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #57 on:** December 30, 2012, 07:46:11 AM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on December 14, 2012, 05:34:31 AM

The i3?

are you serious? wouldnt that completely bottleneck a 3 - 4 GB card?

anyways, anyone recommend any cases?

as I mentioned I was just looking over mATX and mITX, just because the cases look "iknteresting" thats what caught my attention, then I found the Lian Li PC-U6 and I completely fell in love with it. . .but its fucking expensive. . .

anyone know other companies that make "interesting" designs, but remain at a reasonable price (under 150)?

Whats your budget on cases?

Also, go with the i5. It's just better.

--

I read over the GTX 600 series vs. the GTX 700 series. So this is a good tip for you GoGeTa, save up for the GTX 770 as it will be the dominate video card for next generation and the best bang for your dollar.

kitamesume · « **Reply #58 on:** December 30, 2012, 07:59:16 AM »

playing a waiting game? bah, if you end up doing it then just aim for haswell+GTX770 entirely.

Quote from: Ivon on December 14, 2012, 07:13:45 PM

I would not go with this ITX, that is strictly for HTPC (aka Media Center computer).

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1038990325

has it ever occurred to you that the definition of "gaming PC" is simply a PC that can game?

Tiffanys · « **Reply #59 on:** December 30, 2012, 08:33:18 AM »

I'd go for an i5 2500K ($219) to be honest. If you aren't doing something crazy like encoding or rendering you don't need the i7.

As for Micro/ITX - I do not recommend them. Unless you just severely need the extra space, it's a bad choice. The inside of your computer will be hotter and less ventilated, and more crowded. It can be difficult to fit in the newer GPU's and can prevent use of some RAM. Just go with as big as possible.

If I was gonna build a new PC I'd do something like so...

CPU
$219 - Core i5-2500K LGA 1155 - Newegg

Motherboard
$179 - ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z Z68 LGA 1155 - Newegg - ASUS
Thoughts: It has SupremeFX X-Fi 2 built in that I like, otherwise looks nearly identical to the P67 Maximus IV Extreme, except it isn't at heart-attack prices like its $329 P67 Extreme counterpart.

PSU
$189 - CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX850 - Newegg
Thoughts: Well, it's a good one. I'm going to have a lot of HDD's and fans, so it's probably needed.

Case
$159 - Thermaltake Chaser MK-I - Newegg - Thermaltake
Thoughts: It has the removable screwless HDD trays (that I love on my Armor+LCS), screwless PCI stuff, a decent enough amount of fans, 2 front USB 3.0 ports, looks nice, and etc... And it looks like you can turn the LED's off. Lots of space too... It also has some sturdy looking feet that keep it up a bit, which I think are nice. I wish the case I have now had those... Though, it does have gobs of features I don't care about or will never use, but oh well. It's about standard pricing as far as cases go.

SSD
$236 - Intel 510 SATA III 120GB SSD (450R/210W) - Newegg
or
$579 - Intel 510 SATA III 250GB SSD (500R/315W) - Newegg
Thoughts: These two are probably a bit outdated now since I made this list ~5 months ago, but... Intel is a pretty solid SSD brand. It's only gonna be for Boot+OS+essential programs though. Storage will be on HDD's.

CPU Cooler
$69 - ZALMAN CNPS11X Extreme - Newegg
Thoughts: Overall from my current setup I learned to avoid liquid cooling. I have liquid cooling and I hate it and I could do just as good if not better on (non-stock) air. So, with that out of the way... this one looks fairly nice and it specifically says it fits LGA 1155 and it's way smaller than some of the super popular ones... Comparisons. Not all that much different temps either. Bad thing is, it has a blue LED. fml. pic1 | pic2 | more - looks pretty small. I'd probably want to go to ~4-4.5Ghz, I suppose this could probably do it. Overall, I'd want to keep looking for a better choice for this since I want to stay away from blue LED's completely.

Okay, let's stop for a moment and let me rant about blue LED's...
If you're going for LED's, go for red. Or rather, go for blue LED if it's not going to be in your bedroom. But if it's going to be in your bedroom either go for red or none. The reason why is that our circadian cycle is heavily effected by the light our eyes take in which tells our bodies what time it is. Blue spectrum light triggers awareness while red spectrum light triggers melatonin. Overall, just stay the hell away from LED's entirely if you can. But if you can't, avoid blue like the plague. If you sleep with a heavy blue LED computer case in your room you'll wake up feeling unrested and tired all the time and your eyes will hurt... it's because you couldn't really rest... the blue light kept sending your brain awareness signals rather than letting you rest. I've known it for a long time, but it's been proven in scientific studies: http://t.co/ohPRXi8Y http://t.co/HNXeCVkk

The only thing left really is GPU/RAM/Optical drives. I already have those, so I didn't bother listing them. That stuff's pretty easy to figure out though.

For GPU's go for some NVIDIA one in the x7-x8 range. They tend to have it so x6 is low end, x7 is mid end, x8 is high end, and x9 is super insane overkill. Always go for the newest generation GPU though since it'll have the newest technologies.

I have I believe a 560 Ti right now, cause it's a bit better than my GTX 280 I had which started to die on me. Not overheat or anything, just bad. Lot's of unpleasant random BSOD's and no abnormal heat ranges whatsoever from my GPU or CPU. Replaced the GPU with the new one and ta-da problem solved. Sadly that was like the last thing I tried replacing since I determined it wasn't overheating first, lol... I spent so much money for nothing.