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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2013, 02:03:33 AM »
Most idiots blow off their own hands and face when attempting to make a bomb.
Straw man, type 5: Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

You don't have an argument, just irrelevant ravings when it comes to guns, not unlike the guy in the OP's video.

Try to stick to gun issue, not mosquitoes, nor any other crap that you bring out of your ass.

The issue is that while your country retains many elements akin to the first world, this one is similar to the fucking third world countries where weapons are more common than clean water. Then there are gun nuts that like it this way because obviously everyone knows a civil society needs guns! And nobody gives a damn about mosquitoes and other shit, when the social issue is gun ownership.

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Fuck it, takes time to install something here so I might as well waste my time writing my actual opinion on this:

Your sacred second amendment was created during time when a newly formed country was broke, had no significant military and bunch of potential enemies everywhere. It was written in an entirely different era for purposes that don't really exist any more.

Protect yourself from the tyranny? What a joke, the government won against you a long time. Not with guns, but with hamburgers that permanently parked the collective ass on the couch. The guns you have will only be used against each other within the civilian population while the social elite will collect all the money.

The few times the "tools against tyranny" were used as intended were ironically not even popular among populace (JFK assassination, Lincoln and so on). The second amendment is outdated, serves no purpose and is just as useful in a modern society as the Danish law that allows Danes to beat up Swedes that cross border over ice instead of the bridge.

Do I really care about it? Nah, you idiots can murder each other for all I care as much as you want. It's not like I expect much change in attitude from people who are too inept to do simpler changes like going over to metric system.
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For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2013, 02:30:23 AM »
Most idiots blow off their own hands and face when attempting to make a bomb.

Better that than the idiot blowing off the hands and face of somebody else, IMO.
 
And, fuck you, mosquitos are serious business.  But you live in the Great Frozen North.  Do you even have flying bloodsucking parasites there?  Spend late summer in Florida one year and you'd care, at least while you were here.
 
 
As to the gun issue, I think people should just get used to seeing the occasional dead children on TV.  I don't expect to see any serious reform in gun control or significant improvements in crime over here within my lifetime.
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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2013, 02:35:16 AM »
Better that than the idiot blowing off the hands and face of somebody else, IMO.
There's not exactly a lot of evidence they go and make bombs when they can't get guns in any case. It's a useless hypothetical.

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2013, 02:36:25 AM »
And what exactly would you have policy makers do to combat aging anyway?

Funding. That's all that's needed to make significant progress within the decade, like to confer 10 years of healthy life and then start staying ahead of the curve and adding 10 years at a time.

The first person that will live to be 1000 is already alive today. But we really need to get serious about this. And funding really is the issue.

As for all the overpopulation debate, which I'm fine with being part of honestly, what it really comes down to is by making that decision ourselves we're deciding for the future generations and that's none of our business doing. We need to do the research and then when the time comes the future generation will have the option and they can decide whether they want to live for a really long time or to have lots of babies, but it's just turning our head to tens of millions of deaths every year that could otherwise be prevented.

It doesn't get a lot of funding because it isn't considered important because of a global trance that it's how it's always been and there's nothing we can do about it anyways, so just ignore it. But in my opinion it's by far the most important issue on the planet today, or since the dawn of time, really.

I mean, if what you say is true, then why aren't bombings more common?

Because guns are widely available and they're easier. I mean hell, if you watch the crazy infowars guy in the OP vid then you can hear some random statistic how other countries also have high murder rates, they just aren't with guns since guns aren't around. It doesn't stop knives or pipes or any other various thing people might use.

Overall, the problem with taking away guns from the entire US population... it's not possible without changing our Constitution's 2nd amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms#United_States

It's been argued over for a long time just what exactly that means, but overall there's gonna be a lot of pissed off really well armed people that thinks that gun regulations violate the 2nd Amendment.

I think having guns are great to be honest. We're better off because if we were ever invaded (be it another country, aliens, or whatever), so many of us have firearms that we would have a strong ability to fight back as opposed to an unarmed population. An armed mob is a hell of a big deterrent to a foreign army. Occupation against an armed and unwilling population would be incredibly difficult.

Of course, it also reserves the ability to rise up and overthrow our government, should the need ever arise. As Thomas Jefferson himself said: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Hell, rather than unarming everyone, I think arming everyone would help. It'd be kinda hard for a kid to shoot up a school if all the kids had guns themselves -- actually, maybe that's a bad idea. The teachers though, should probably be armed and trained.

The problem though is we're making the issue about protecting the kids. But really, what about every single other large public gathering place? You could go into a football stadium with an AK-47, some large clips and a few pipe bombs, and take out hundreds of people. What good would armed teachers or armed guards in every school do then? Not a whole hell of a lot.

All you can really do is either take the guns away, or make them more widespread. There's problems with both, but those are generally the options. Having a police state with an armed guard for every 5 or so people isn't really feasible. And well, taking the guns away makes us easier to invade and makes revolutions more difficult. And hell, with the way things are going... I wouldn't doubt one being necessary within the century.

Overall, I'm not one of the far right rabid NRA gun supporters myself. I have guns, I have a concealed carry license, and so forth, but uh... It wouldn't really effect me since I already have them and I'm licensed for it. I just really dislike this kind of reactionary policy making. It's a mob mentality, and it's a sad state of governance that this is how things happen. I mean this is how we got into that big bullshit "War on Terror" to begin with. Reactionary politics lead to some of the biggest mistakes in history.

Just going with public outrage rather than keeping a level head has been the downfall of many a great empire.

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2013, 03:09:31 AM »
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I think having guns are great to be honest. We're better off because if we were ever invaded (be it another country, aliens, or whatever), so many of us have firearms that we would have a strong ability to fight back as opposed to an unarmed population. An armed mob is a hell of a big deterrent to a foreign army. Occupation against an armed and unwilling population would be incredibly difficult.

You have the biggest, most powerful military in the world. That argument is invalid.

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All you can really do is either take the guns away, or make them more widespread. There's problems with both, but those are generally the options. Having a police state with an armed guard for every 5 or so people isn't really feasible. And well, taking the guns away makes us easier to invade and makes revolutions more difficult. And hell, with the way things are going... I wouldn't doubt one being necessary within the century.

That was my point. Americans are too pacified to do revolutions. France doesn't supply their population with guns, nor does Britain or Greece. Have you seen the riots there? Both the magnitude and frequency? Hungary had one of the most impressive riots in my opinion. They had no guns, but they found a soviet WWII tank in a museum which they filled with diesel. The rest is shown in this video. The government should fear the people, but Americans with all their guns forgot how to do that.

Do you know what America may become in the future? A new Saudi Arabia. Americans will live in utter tyranny, but it will be fine, because it's a convenient and comfortable tyranny. Maybe when Americans learn how to point their guns towards the White House every time the government takes a piece of their rights away *cough*PATRIOT act*cough*, then maybe I will consider the second amendment as a functional tool.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2013, 03:17:29 AM »
Funding. That's all that's needed to make significant progress within the decade, like to confer 10 years of healthy life and then start staying ahead of the curve and adding 10 years at a time.
And after that? Nothing stops them from championing both causes.

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Because guns are widely available and they're easier.
But only in America, I guess? I mean if you really want to draw a connection there should be some sort of example to point to. Plenty of first world countries with stricter gun laws than the US, where exactly are all the bombings?

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Overall, the problem with taking away guns from the entire US population... it's not possible without changing our Constitution's 2nd amendment.
I think it's generally gun proponents who equate gun control with stripping the entire population, and how futile a task that'd be. You argued to Ace about simplifying the argument, but here you are. Perhaps it's worth noting that today the top proposal from Biden's task force is for background checks. Which you agreed on earlier if I recall. The argument for stripping the entire country of its guns is certainly unrealistic, but since that doesn't appear to be the aim of the Obama administration, there's little reason to keep bringing it up.

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I think having guns are great to be honest. We're better off because if we were ever invaded (be it another country, aliens, or whatever), so many of us have firearms that we would have a strong ability to fight back as opposed to an unarmed population. An armed mob is a hell of a big deterrent to a foreign army. Occupation against an armed and unwilling population would be incredibly difficult.
My understanding of the trend in US gun ownership is that the number of gun owners is decreasing while the number of guns is becoming increasingly concentrated into the hands of these remaining individuals. Essentially, the gun nuts are stockpiling.

And in any case, I don't think starting an argument with the plot to Red Dawn, or "hypothetically, aliens..." really stands up much to the trade off of all the gun violence we get.

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Of course, it also reserves the ability to rise up and overthrow our government, should the need ever arise. As Thomas Jefferson himself said: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I have no doubt that gun owners would resist, though you'll pardon me for being skeptical that they would win. Though again it's so ridiculously hypothetical I can't even decide where to begin with this.

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All you can really do is either take the guns away, or make them more widespread.
You could create better registration policies, consistent background check laws, and make these nation-wide, rather than a hodge-podge of city/state/federal ones. jaybug brought up Chicago in another thread. And obviously they have a lot of gun violence there. But it's not as if gangs are making the guns themselves, they're being purchased legally outside the city and illegally (or at least, it was, they had some of their gun laws tossed out) brought into the city. Keeping better track of gun purchases could go a long way. And for what it's worth in regard to these school shootings, quite a few of them were done with legally purchased guns. Even if you believe that nothing you can possibly do could prevent these individuals from obtaining a weapon, why make it easy for them?

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Overall, I'm not one of the far right rabid NRA gun supporters myself. I have guns, I have a concealed carry license, and so forth, but uh... It wouldn't really effect me since I already have them and I'm licensed for it. I just really dislike this kind of reactionary policy making. It's a mob mentality, and it's a sad state of governance that this is how things happen. I mean this is how we got into that big bullshit "War on Terror" to begin with. Reactionary politics lead to some of the biggest mistakes in history.
Gun violence is an issue, and these shootings highlight it. Not everyone agrees we're safer as a country just because you have a gun, and their ease of access and massive proliferation do the country a lot of harm. It's something worth talking about. Waiting till people forget won't solve anything.

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Just going with public outrage rather than keeping a level head has been the downfall of many a great empire.
I'm not sure clinging to guns is doing us any favors either, to be honest.
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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2013, 03:33:52 AM »
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I think having guns are great to be honest. We're better off because if we were ever invaded (be it another country, aliens, or whatever), so many of us have firearms that we would have a strong ability to fight back as opposed to an unarmed population. An armed mob is a hell of a big deterrent to a foreign army. Occupation against an armed and unwilling population would be incredibly difficult.

You have the biggest, most powerful military in the world. That argument is invalid.

It's not an invalid argument. Whether we have the most powerful military or not, it still helps.

Besides, blasting signals all across space it's not unrealistic a hostile alien race could pick it up and attack us. Given that they can actually travel through vast distances of space already means they likely have vastly superior technology, so we'd be pretty fucked in general. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I wouldn't deny the possibility.

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All you can really do is either take the guns away, or make them more widespread. There's problems with both, but those are generally the options. Having a police state with an armed guard for every 5 or so people isn't really feasible. And well, taking the guns away makes us easier to invade and makes revolutions more difficult. And hell, with the way things are going... I wouldn't doubt one being necessary within the century.

That was my point. Americans are too pacified to do revolutions. France doesn't supply their population with guns, nor does Britain or Greece. Have you seen the riots there? Both the magnitude and frequency? Hungary had one of the most impressive riots in my opinion. They had no guns, but they found a soviet WWII tank in a museum which they filled with diesel. The rest is shown in this video. The government should fear the people, but Americans with all their guns forgot how to do that.

Do you know what America may become in the future? A new Saudi Arabia. Americans will live in utter tyranny, but it will be fine, because it's a convenient and comfortable tyranny. Maybe when Americans learn how to point their guns towards the White House every time the government takes a piece of their rights away *cough*PATRIOT act*cough*, then maybe I will consider the second amendment as a functional tool.

Well, I can't really argue with that. I'm not much of a patriot myself. It's getting worse and worse all the time, and we have the stupidest first world country in the world despite our military strength. Just a bunch of damn blind sheep that just go with the flow. I mean we have some really seriously fucking stupid people here. We re-elected Bush... that has to say something.

I'd have no problem whatsoever moving to another country though myself. With my credentials I highly doubt I'd have a problem getting into my country of choice anyways, should I ever decide to make such a big change.

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2013, 03:37:10 AM »
Well, if just having a gun gives you the feeling of safety, cool.

I must ask about certain situations then:

1. You go to someone for a visit, they have a gun at home. Do you come as a guest armed? (Note to self: never visit an American home)
2. Someone comes to your house armed. Is it ok for them to be armed just because you are? (Note to self: Do not let Americans into my home)
3. You are not supposed to drink and drive? Should you be armed in a bar or when you are generally drinking out on a Saturday night? (Note to self: while wasted American couldn't aim properly, still better avoid drinking with Americans)

I could probably of more social interactions that could become awkward when armed. I really wonder how this whole idea of arming everyone would shape the society as a whole.
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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2013, 04:13:18 AM »
Well, if just having a gun gives you the feeling of safety, cool.

I must ask about certain situations then:

1. You go to someone for a visit, they have a gun at home. Do you come as a guest armed? (Note to self: never visit an American home)
2. Someone comes to your house armed. Is it ok for them to be armed just because you are? (Note to self: Do not let Americans into my home)
3. You are not supposed to drink and drive? Should you be armed in a bar or when you are generally drinking out on a Saturday night? (Note to self: while wasted American couldn't aim properly, still better avoid drinking with Americans)

I could probably of more social interactions that could become awkward when armed. I really wonder how this whole idea of arming everyone would shape the society as a whole.


1. I go everywhere armed.
2. Just because I am? No. But that doesn't mean they can't. Chances are if I'm letting someone in my house it's a friend.
3. It's illegal to carry a gun into a bar even with a license. You also can't carry it into any business prohibiting it, courts, or educational facilities, and some others as well...

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2013, 04:30:24 AM »
2. Just because I am? No. But that doesn't mean they can't. Chances are if I'm letting someone in my house it's a friend.

No, you say? Because I thought the idea of arming everyone is to put them on equal footing.

Anyway you probably get my point. There are situations when being armed is wrong. Hell, even Vikings left their swords at the doorstep thousands of yeas ago.

Also you mentioned that at a bar it's illegal for you to carry a firearm. However you can bet they have one. Do you think it's ok to live in a society that where depending on location one party can find itself at a mercy of another's whims. Personally I don't like that idea and I love a lot of weapons, in fact it's during the times when I was obliterating targets and trees behind it with an MG3 that I realized that tools like that have no place within a civil society. I will gladly carry weapons two places in my country Svalbard against polar bears and Russian border because they point theirs at us.
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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2013, 04:41:39 AM »
No, I think you misunderstood. The answer was "yes." The reason just wasn't "because I am."

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« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2013, 04:35:30 AM »
It takes about a second longer to blow through two or three clips, than it does to empty one banana clip of 30 rounds. Amazing what duct tape can do.

We'll need guns to protect what's ours when civilization collapses and the eaters come looking for free stuff. Katrina, Sandy, the Big One when it hits southern California. Civilization collapsed to some degree in those instances.
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2013, 01:25:26 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2013, 02:25:13 PM »
I love a lot of weapons

The only reason gun control is a controversial issue in America.


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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2013, 02:32:52 PM »
Why? I know many people who enjoyed pulverizing granite stones with M2 Browning loaded with Raufoss bullets. It is still unthinkable over here that civilians should keep them at home. Many people love tanks too, there is no controversy about private ownership of them.
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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2013, 11:17:01 PM »
Why? I know many people who enjoyed pulverizing granite stones with M2 Browning loaded with Raufoss bullets. It is still unthinkable over here that civilians should keep them at home. Many people love tanks too, there is no controversy about private ownership of them.
you can privately own tanks in a lot of countries.
Guns just have to be decommisioned

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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2013, 07:12:40 PM »
Why? I know many people who enjoyed pulverizing granite stones with M2 Browning loaded with Raufoss bullets. It is still unthinkable over here that civilians should keep them at home. Many people love tanks too, there is no controversy about private ownership of them.
you can privately own tanks in a lot of countries.
Guns just have to be decommisioned

That would make it a cool looking tractor not really a tank.
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2013, 10:31:21 PM »
Why? I know many people who enjoyed pulverizing granite stones with M2 Browning loaded with Raufoss bullets. It is still unthinkable over here that civilians should keep them at home. Many people love tanks too, there is no controversy about private ownership of them.
you can privately own tanks in a lot of countries.
Guns just have to be decommisioned

That would make it a cool looking tractor not really a tank.
still runs shit over just fine

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Re: 0-Crazy in less than a minute
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2013, 03:43:13 AM »
A bulldozer. A tank without a cannon is a bulldozer.

Like the empty bunkers and nuclear silos: housing.
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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2013, 11:05:51 PM »
A bulldozer. A tank without a cannon is a bulldozer.

Like the empty bunkers and nuclear silos: housing.

Technically the term for a bulldozer is a tractor. It only gets to be called a bulldozer if it has the blade in front. So a tank is a farm machine with a cannon attached. Damn, you should have seen the size of those gophers!
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