Suisei no Gargantia | Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet [Series]

[ConsiderPhlebas]

I really like this anime, and now we're up for "the seventh ep", the classical turning point of 13 ep animes, where the setting and ambiance building switches to "real plot revelation", should any of the complainers be unaware...

[Ozzaharwood]

Oh, in case anyone is in need of any fanservice:

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Quality anime. So much delicious plot.

[xShadow]

See when I watch anime the part of my brain that tells me this is fiction kicks in. So when things happen that are odd or could never happen in real life, I get it. Also they explained why they didn't want him to kill all the pirates and why they were mad at him for it. But I guess you missed that part cus you were to busy thinking this was reality.

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Episode 3 about 02:54

I already addressed that in the opening paragraph of my initial rant. But hey, I suppose your much-prized reading comprehension skills just failed a bit there.

Also if you watch Episode 3 you get the feeling that there isn't much bloodshed between the pirates and the others.

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Episode 3 about 05:53

It's even further explained not directly that they only use weapons as a way to threaten one another. Not actual bloodshed.

*Sigh* Again, this was addressed by me in my opening paragraph of the original rant, not to mention by other people.

Let me recap, since you seem to be horribly at odds with your brain and eyes: what I'm pointing out is that I don't see how the captain could have even maintained that kind of status quo. He obviously is not able to rationalize on the level of a common high school student in some of the more intelligent anime. How do you maintain a status quo based on a show of force when your show of force is obviously inferior? The answer is that you have to fill it in with some kind of show of force, and that show of force is usually intelligence-related. He doesn't have any of that. How were they able to survive for so many years, if not by simply surrendering resources and showing fealty? Magic? Okay.

Now as for when the pirates retaliated and attacked, duh. Their crew was killed and blood was shed. It was even stated in Episode 3 on many occasions that the pirates would seek revenge. **see first spoiler tag for pic**

... Even if they didn't seek revenge, suppose you had one side with not only inferior weaponry, but inferior ability to utilize it. That's called being someone else's bitch. The pirates can essentially do whatever the fuck they want with you.

Fiction isn't always supposed to be believable and accurate.

No shit.

That's the part that makes it fiction. Funny you have an issue with a captain and crew not wanting to kill pirates cus in the real world that is absurd. But you're not ranting about the flying robot from outer space that can nuke a small army in seconds. Seems... absurd don't it?

*Facepalm*

I did have an explanation about this for you, but then I was like "why the fuck am I even bothering?", and took it out. I'm essentially wasting keystrokes on someone that won't/can't actually read anything I put down. To summarize, you still don't understand that the only really fictional thing about this anime is its setting, do you? Logic and good judgement is a universal concept... it just changes depending on external variables.


I honestly don't have problems with shows that don't try to pretend like they are more than what they are. If this was just supposed to be a slice-of-life (?... granted it's a bad one) moe show with fanservice plastered all over the place, and that's all it advertised... then I wouldn't be complaining. I watched Haganai, I enjoyed it. I watched Seitokai Yakuindomo. I enjoyed it. I watched Seitokai no Ichizon. I enjoyed it. They were just what they were, and they didn't try to incorporate anything outside their realm of expertise in such a silly way.

[megido-rev.M]

Oh, in case anyone is in need of any fanservice:

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Quality anime. So much delicious plot.

Indeed.

[GoGeTa006]

wheres the story? its turning out to be a slice-of-life thing?

and that girl wants the D so bad. . .our MC needs to learn about mating cause dat bitch be beggin for it

[BronBron06]

Anime with lots of fanservice.
Squids and octopuses as main enemies.

TENTACLES INC.

Yes tentacles hopefully

and he could have used his money for lap dances, the folks over there are good dancers lol

[5Cats]

wheres the story? its turning out to be a slice-of-life thing?

and that girl wants the D so bad. . .our MC needs to learn about mating cause dat bitch be beggin for it

Oh yes! She is ready and willing to date, mate and procreate! AND she's a yummy little slice too!

The story shall return with the appearance of the monster-squiddy thing.

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I do NOT think the "enemy" comes from Earth. I think they came to Earth and destroyed it, turning it into a big salty ocean. Thus humans are rightfully PISSED OFF! But there's plenty of possible "plot twists" remaining to alter that...

Hey! I TOLD YA that "Chamber" could navigate just fine under water :-)

[CappinHoff]

See when I watch anime the part of my brain that tells me this is fiction kicks in. So when things happen that are odd or could never happen in real life, I get it. Also they explained why they didn't want him to kill all the pirates and why they were mad at him for it. But I guess you missed that part cus you were to busy thinking this was reality.

(click to show/hide)

Episode 3 about 02:54

I already addressed that in the opening paragraph of my initial rant. But hey, I suppose your much-prized reading comprehension skills just failed a bit there.

Also if you watch Episode 3 you get the feeling that there isn't much bloodshed between the pirates and the others.

(click to show/hide)

Episode 3 about 05:53

It's even further explained not directly that they only use weapons as a way to threaten one another. Not actual bloodshed.

*Sigh* Again, this was addressed by me in my opening paragraph of the original rant, not to mention by other people.

Let me recap, since you seem to be horribly at odds with your brain and eyes: what I'm pointing out is that I don't see how the captain could have even maintained that kind of status quo. He obviously is not able to rationalize on the level of a common high school student in some of the more intelligent anime. How do you maintain a status quo based on a show of force when your show of force is obviously inferior? The answer is that you have to fill it in with some kind of show of force, and that show of force is usually intelligence-related. He doesn't have any of that. How were they able to survive for so many years, if not by simply surrendering resources and showing fealty? Magic? Okay.

Now as for when the pirates retaliated and attacked, duh. Their crew was killed and blood was shed. It was even stated in Episode 3 on many occasions that the pirates would seek revenge. **see first spoiler tag for pic**

... Even if they didn't seek revenge, suppose you had one side with not only inferior weaponry, but inferior ability to utilize it. That's called being someone else's bitch. The pirates can essentially do whatever the fuck they want with you.

Fiction isn't always supposed to be believable and accurate.

No shit.

That's the part that makes it fiction. Funny you have an issue with a captain and crew not wanting to kill pirates cus in the real world that is absurd. But you're not ranting about the flying robot from outer space that can nuke a small army in seconds. Seems... absurd don't it?

*Facepalm*

I did have an explanation about this for you, but then I was like "why the fuck am I even bothering?", and took it out. I'm essentially wasting keystrokes on someone that won't/can't actually read anything I put down. To summarize, you still don't understand that the only really fictional thing about this anime is its setting, do you? Logic and good judgement is a universal concept... it just changes depending on external variables.


I honestly don't have problems with shows that don't try to pretend like they are more than what they are. If this was just supposed to be a slice-of-life (?... granted it's a bad one) moe show with fanservice plastered all over the place, and that's all it advertised... then I wouldn't be complaining. I watched Haganai, I enjoyed it. I watched Seitokai Yakuindomo. I enjoyed it. I watched Seitokai no Ichizon. I enjoyed it. They were just what they were, and they didn't try to incorporate anything outside their realm of expertise in such a silly way.

I give up. Talking to you is like talking to Dustin Hoffman in rainman....

You are basically complaining because a fiction anime isn't acting like people should in reality based situations. That is the point of your rant. Nothing more nothing less. It's fiction, move on or go watch the history channel about pirates.

[AceHigh]

Not even to mention that I have witnessed untrained leaders doing idiotic mistakes both in military and military games. During NATO excercise "Cold Response" I was with the OPFOR and the war judges agreed that the Dutch forces that disembarked from a helicopter in real life would be shot out of the sky by our 2 MG3 machine gun nests because their recons did not spot them. In real life it would have been a disastrous attack due to bad intel gathering and tactical decisions against mere conscripts and creative sergeants leading us.

Mind you, this was a wargame for generals who attended military academies, so don't try to tell me that some survivors living on old ships would not be able to make mistakes. Their plan was in fact simple: ledo spots the enemy, draws fire and they fire at pirates from the cover of the darkness (obviously night vision tech is unavailable to them). Their mistake was underestimation of enemy's tenacity and will to advance, a mistake that has been made all too many times in in real wars by real commanders.

[xShadow]

You are basically complaining because a fiction anime isn't acting like people should in reality based situations. That is the point of your rant. Nothing more nothing less. It's fiction, move on or go watch the history channel about pirates.

... It's not "reality-based". It's "put yourself on the captain's shoes, within that setting, and tell me that somehow that would be the most rational decision." But it's fine, I give up on you too. Trust me, not much to give up on.

Their plan was in fact simple: ledo spots the enemy, draws fire and they fire at pirates from the cover of the darkness (obviously night vision tech is unavailable to them). Their mistake was underestimation of enemy's tenacity and will to advance, a mistake that has been made all too many times in in real wars by real commanders.

? I don't think that was the mistake. Pirates had superior numbers and firepower. It's only logical that they ignore at loss or two.


I know what you're getting at, though. You're saying he was hoping they would back off at a mere show of force,  because that's how it always worked before... That's a decent point. But to have no contingency plan (outside of Ledo acting on his own ? Again, I wonder how they survived until this point... And considering the demonstration in the first episode, which was apparently a plan crafted by earth's finest...  Maybe it's better not to ask.

[AceHigh]

Most likely they survived because neither side wants a pyrrhic victory over other, a fragile balance that Ledo probably disrupted by his badass annihilation of the pirates... or at least that is how they presented the case. Then again every victory on either side will always be a pyrrhic one, since they will lose ships that are irreplaceable.

Taking that into a consideration who was indeed the stupid one here? Because the pirates were pressed to assault even after permanent losses. Because we are talking about losing your habitat, not just ships, so the doctrine "too valuable to lose" should be considered by both parties.

[xyx]

Dropped this on episode 5, the girl is annoying and the guy is too submissive, if he's superior then why does he stand their bullshit ?

Oh well, another good anime going to waste, the animation is great tho.

[AceHigh]

He is indoctrinated not to think too much for himself outside of combat, I think he fits that role.

[Grimpak]

You are basically complaining because a fiction anime isn't acting like people should in reality based situations. That is the point of your rant. Nothing more nothing less. It's fiction, move on or go watch the history channel about pirates.

... It's not "reality-based". It's "put yourself on the captain's shoes, within that setting, and tell me that somehow that would be the most rational decision." But it's fine, I give up on you too. Trust me, not much to give up on.

turn.
off.
brain.

[megido-rev.M]

? I am lost here.

[jaybug]

Say, do you think they will dive down and find Sponge Bob?

I dunno but I think logic has little to do with feeling disrespected and wanting revenge. Look up feud and vendetta. Are either of those logical?

[Calavera]

I am really enjoying this show so far. As long as Mr. Murata is keeping Mr. Edgy in check, then I think that we might have a strong contender for the anime of the year along with Maou-sama and SnK. I am really appreciating the detail that they are putting into the character designs as well. You can tell that the doujin artist is loving every second of drawing those girls on screen. Ami is just so... perfect. I would waifu her if I had never seen Azumanga Daioh. Sorry Amy, but I still love Osaka.

I'm not really understanding how a squid at the end is supposed to be a cliff hanger. I already know that it is not Hideauze. It's a squid. I know for a fact that it's just a squid. I even know the species that it's supposed to be. Firefly Squid != Hideauze.

[Xycolian2332]

This show was really promising at first but now it's just kind of.... meh.

[Grimpak]

? I am lost here.

a good ammount of things in this world are only truly enjoyable if you proceed to disengage critical thought and forget that cumbersome things like "physics" and "logic" exists.

so you stop nitpicking, you turn off your brain, and enjoy a fictional work purely for it's enjoyment face value.


and it works wonders.

[megido-rev.M]

? I am lost here.

a good ammount of things in this world are only truly enjoyable if you proceed to disengage critical thought and forget that cumbersome things like "physics" and "logic" exists.

so you stop nitpicking, you turn off your brain, and enjoy a fictional work purely for it's enjoyment face value.


and it works wonders.

I see. So that's what's being argued here.