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Suisei no Gargantia | Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet [Series]
xShadow:
--- Quote from: jaybug on May 15, 2013, 01:40:08 AM ---Say, do you think they will dive down and find Sponge Bob?
I dunno but I think logic has little to do with feeling disrespected and wanting revenge. Look up feud and vendetta. Are either of those logical?
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That depends on the vantage point. For instance, in physics, if your frame of reference is the moving vehicle, your calculations will be quite different from the ones that are applied from an arbitrary, stationary point chosen as the origin.
"Revenge", "hatred", etc... these feelings at a personal level aren't logical. Prediction of their rise given circumstances such as personality can be a logical procedure.
Furthermore, much of this is irrelevant: It was not the captain that was under the effect of any of these feelings. Rather, he was on the receiving end, and was given plenty of time to take advantage of them.
--- Quote from: Grimpak on May 15, 2013, 04:12:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on May 15, 2013, 12:48:02 AM ---? I am lost here.
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a good ammount of things in this world are only truly enjoyable if you proceed to disengage critical thought and forget that cumbersome things like "physics" and "logic" exists.
so you stop nitpicking, you turn off your brain, and enjoy a fictional work purely for it's enjoyment face value.
and it works wonders.
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I will put this in a spoiler since it isn't directly related to this anime.
(click to show/hide)There are different ways to watch things. Luckily, yours is the way that most people do it, hence the anime industry has a pretty easy time selling shit to your crowd. Again, like I said, it's fine if you want to turn off your brain and watch everything like that. That doesn't mean that everyone has to. Don't drag me into that hole.
That's also not to say I can't turn off my brain. In fact, it's quite easy. In fact, it's a lot easier than actually thinking. Surprise. I'm also not saying that having your brain on is appropriate for everything; some shows are merely meant for entertainment (those shows are not George Carlin-related).
I simply don't think that universally adopting this method of watching things (especially due to a shitty reason like "lol it's fiction") is right. You're missing out on themes, messages, etc while viewing. For instance, Brave New World? Or, more recently Shinsekai Yori? You can read/watch that without engaging your mind at all, but you're missing out on quite a bit. In my opinion, the best stories are the ones that are deep and/or meaningful if watched/read while thinking or not thinking. ie: There is a depth for intelligent consideration, but the story itself is entertaining as well. So, you can claim that every fiction anime should simply be watched with the brain turned off, but don't think I (or everyone else) would agree with that sentiment... Granted, that's the way the industry is trending anyway, so I'm sure they're quite happy with your sentiments. Like I said earlier, though: relegating anime fiction in general to merely an entertainment role is an insult to both anime and fiction.
That being said:
I do a bit of a mix. I mostly turn off my brain during actual viewing, but it depends on the show. If I saw the anime as one that warranted analysis (for instance, Haganai is simply mindless entertainment, so I don't do this with it), I leave it on. If not, then I turn it off... to an extent. Sometimes things are just so blatantly trite or ridiculous that I can't help but cringe. The more shit I watch, the more that happens, unfortunately. I initially approached this anime hoping it would be an more intelligent one with a deeper message. I guess I'll just stop expecting things with this. Yes, this statement is also me blatantly saying "critically, this thing is a piece of crap." Entertainment-wise, who knows?
--- Quote from: AceHigh on May 14, 2013, 01:26:46 PM ---Most likely they survived because neither side wants a pyrrhic victory over other, a fragile balance that Ledo probably disrupted by his badass annihilation of the pirates... or at least that is how they presented the case. Then again every victory on either side will always be a pyrrhic one, since they will lose ships that are irreplaceable.
Taking that into a consideration who was indeed the stupid one here? Because the pirates were pressed to assault even after permanent losses. Because we are talking about losing your habitat, not just ships, so the doctrine "too valuable to lose" should be considered by both parties.
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You have an interesting point. What's the point of even having violent pirates exist in a world where survival is purely on ships? It's not a very self-sustaining model. If you do kill people and take down their ships... they won't come back, so you have to move on to another fleet to harass, which you might not find on an ocean planet. And if you continue backing down at threat of violence, you won't do jack shit except waste time. Even if you dig up a defeated fleet's ships and patch them up, you're just thinning your own forces. I'm wondering how they even managed to amass a large fleet of people that were all just naturally thugs? Where did they get the ships from, other people? Okay, but then what about the population? I'm no history buff, so correct me if I'm wrong, but most people trend towards a stable society. Even raiders and such eventually evolve to some type of civilized culture simply because it's more advantageous in the long run.... so how is it that the most powerful force in the world is one that only has preying on others as its prime characteristic? Considering no further details of setting were disclosed, I'm going to go ahead and lean towards "plot device"... but whatever.
I still can't agree with their method of defense in the naval battle... but then again, considering they had "humanity's main base in space" left COMPLETELY UNGUARDED while they went on a HORRIBLY PLANNED MISSION with their ENTIRE FLEET to take out ONE CORE, I'm not really expecting much in the way of having things make sense from now on.
Grimpak:
--- Quote from: xShadow on May 18, 2013, 12:33:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Grimpak on May 15, 2013, 04:12:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on May 15, 2013, 12:48:02 AM ---? I am lost here.
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a good ammount of things in this world are only truly enjoyable if you proceed to disengage critical thought and forget that cumbersome things like "physics" and "logic" exists.
so you stop nitpicking, you turn off your brain, and enjoy a fictional work purely for it's enjoyment face value.
and it works wonders.
--- End quote ---
I will put this in a spoiler since it isn't directly related to this anime.
(click to show/hide)There are different ways to watch things. Luckily, yours is the way that most people do it, hence the anime industry has a pretty easy time selling shit to your crowd. Again, like I said, it's fine if you want to turn off your brain and watch everything like that. That doesn't mean that everyone has to. Don't drag me into that hole.
That's also not to say I can't turn off my brain. In fact, it's quite easy. In fact, it's a lot easier than actually thinking. Surprise. I'm also not saying that having your brain on is appropriate for everything; some shows are merely meant for entertainment (those shows are not George Carlin-related).
I simply don't think that universally adopting this method of watching things (especially due to a shitty reason like "lol it's fiction") is right. You're missing out on themes, messages, etc while viewing. For instance, Brave New World? Or, more recently Shinsekai Yori? You can read/watch that without engaging your mind at all, but you're missing out on quite a bit. In my opinion, the best stories are the ones that are deep and/or meaningful if watched/read while thinking or not thinking. ie: There is a depth for intelligent consideration, but the story itself is entertaining as well. So, you can claim that every fiction anime should simply be watched with the brain turned off, but don't think I (or everyone else) would agree with that sentiment... Granted, that's the way the industry is trending anyway, so I'm sure they're quite happy with your sentiments. Like I said earlier, though: relegating anime fiction in general to merely an entertainment role is an insult to both anime and fiction.
That being said:
I do a bit of a mix. I mostly turn off my brain during actual viewing, but it depends on the show. If I saw the anime as one that warranted analysis (for instance, Haganai is simply mindless entertainment, so I don't do this with it), I leave it on. If not, then I turn it off... to an extent. Sometimes things are just so blatantly trite or ridiculous that I can't help but cringe. The more shit I watch, the more that happens, unfortunately. I initially approached this anime hoping it would be an more intelligent one with a deeper message. I guess I'll just stop expecting things with this. Yes, this statement is also me blatantly saying "critically, this thing is a piece of crap." Entertainment-wise, who knows?
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I can see where you're coming. and you do have a point, but allow me to politely disagree.
Saras:
--- Quote from: xShadow on May 18, 2013, 12:33:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Grimpak on May 15, 2013, 04:12:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on May 15, 2013, 12:48:02 AM ---? I am lost here.
--- End quote ---
a good ammount of things in this world are only truly enjoyable if you proceed to disengage critical thought and forget that cumbersome things like "physics" and "logic" exists.
so you stop nitpicking, you turn off your brain, and enjoy a fictional work purely for it's enjoyment face value.
and it works wonders.
--- End quote ---
I will put this in a spoiler since it isn't directly related to this anime.
(click to show/hide)There are different ways to watch things. Luckily, yours is the way that most people do it, hence the anime industry has a pretty easy time selling shit to your crowd. Again, like I said, it's fine if you want to turn off your brain and watch everything like that. That doesn't mean that everyone has to. Don't drag me into that hole.
That's also not to say I can't turn off my brain. In fact, it's quite easy. In fact, it's a lot easier than actually thinking. Surprise. I'm also not saying that having your brain on is appropriate for everything; some shows are merely meant for entertainment (those shows are not George Carlin-related).
I simply don't think that universally adopting this method of watching things (especially due to a shitty reason like "lol it's fiction") is right. You're missing out on themes, messages, etc while viewing. For instance, Brave New World? Or, more recently Shinsekai Yori? You can read/watch that without engaging your mind at all, but you're missing out on quite a bit. In my opinion, the best stories are the ones that are deep and/or meaningful if watched/read while thinking or not thinking. ie: There is a depth for intelligent consideration, but the story itself is entertaining as well. So, you can claim that every fiction anime should simply be watched with the brain turned off, but don't think I (or everyone else) would agree with that sentiment... Granted, that's the way the industry is trending anyway, so I'm sure they're quite happy with your sentiments. Like I said earlier, though: relegating anime fiction in general to merely an entertainment role is an insult to both anime and fiction.
That being said:
I do a bit of a mix. I mostly turn off my brain during actual viewing, but it depends on the show. If I saw the anime as one that warranted analysis (for instance, Haganai is simply mindless entertainment, so I don't do this with it), I leave it on. If not, then I turn it off... to an extent. Sometimes things are just so blatantly trite or ridiculous that I can't help but cringe. The more shit I watch, the more that happens, unfortunately. I initially approached this anime hoping it would be an more intelligent one with a deeper message. I guess I'll just stop expecting things with this. Yes, this statement is also me blatantly saying "critically, this thing is a piece of crap." Entertainment-wise, who knows?
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It depends on why you're watching it as well. There's a big difference between something you watch, to be engaged and something you watch to relax after a hard days work. That which you mentioned, while highly interesting, it isn't exactly a break or even at all relaxing if you spent your workday working out your little grey cells.
There is value in fiction that gives food for thought, no one is here to deny that. However, there is also value in something like this, the simple "feel good" shows as I call them.
Now then, as for the show itself, I'm on the border to drop it. I've already watched the last two episodes by skip watching them, if this continues, it's going to the bin.
BronBron06:
NARROW MINDED HNNNNNNNNNNNG lol
Oh so Kamina is gonna leave the fleet and hunt those squids and loot their homes
I guess Episode 8 is where he will die again ::)
and Ledo got a good tan by the way wonder how dark he would be by episode 12
GoGeTa006:
finally something is happening!
FINALLY
I loved how he went like "DONT TOUCH ME YOU FILTHY WHORE!"
hope she gets the D before the end tho. . .
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