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Offline AceHigh

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« Reply #180 on: June 02, 2013, 07:57:36 PM »
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For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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« Reply #181 on: June 02, 2013, 08:16:38 PM »
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« Reply #182 on: June 02, 2013, 09:12:52 PM »
I predict we won't miss this show as much as we were hoping we would have missed it.

That's not a predication, that's a fact. It went from possibly awesome to mediocre.

I stand corrected.

It looks like it'll go the same way Level E went for me. Great start, great ending, shit middle.

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Re: Suisei no Gargantia | Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
« Reply #183 on: June 03, 2013, 12:22:12 AM »
WOW

so this is a parabola grading scheme in which it starts way up and then drops down way low and then in 1 episode comes back all the way up. . .

SUGOI!

amazing! I cant wait to see what shido will do once he comes back up. . . fuked up mind

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« Reply #184 on: June 03, 2013, 03:27:10 AM »
lol no emergency shutdown for the mech, poor humanoid squid

this is the 2nd time I've seen a disadvantage of a mech having a mind of its own


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« Reply #185 on: June 03, 2013, 03:32:09 AM »
lol @ UTW's pic

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Re: Suisei no Gargantia | Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
« Reply #186 on: June 03, 2013, 08:11:52 PM »
Not really saying I predicted this particular development, but it ain't that surprising, neh?
This is not as unrealistic as one may think... :P

And I'm really fond of cross-species stories going well...
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« Reply #187 on: June 03, 2013, 11:29:08 PM »
lol @ UTW's pic
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« Reply #188 on: June 04, 2013, 08:26:28 AM »
lol @ UTW's pic


GDLK. I laughed uncontrollably for like ten minutes.

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« Reply #189 on: June 04, 2013, 09:54:19 PM »
Humans have been eradicating non-humans since the dawn of time. Before we would even recognize us as "human" eh?

If it's a simple choice between "us and them" the answer is always "us".

I think Squidgirl could beat up Chamber... just sayin...

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« Reply #190 on: June 17, 2013, 01:05:54 AM »
I'm going to admit that I had this show pegged as garbage for awhile, but it's certainly getting better... now let's see if it can stay that way.

As for the hideauze... I believe they forfeited their basic human rights.
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« Reply #191 on: June 17, 2013, 03:37:10 AM »
From Humans vs Squids (former humans)

what now Capitalist vs Communists


LOL at this plot



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« Reply #192 on: June 17, 2013, 06:15:00 AM »
More like Anarchists vs Theocracy.

So I bet Striker is the Officer class mecha with superior specs than Chamber?
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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« Reply #193 on: June 17, 2013, 06:58:39 AM »
More like Anarchists vs Theocracy.

So I bet Striker is the Officer class mecha with superior specs than Chamber?
Yeah. All of that.

'Striker' may have better "offense" but 'Chamber' is more "well rounded". It will come down to which robot is better suited to the situation at hand...
Oh wait? That sounds like Darwinism! Survival of the fittest!

This anime has taken a strong turn for the better! I'm glad!

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« Reply #194 on: June 17, 2013, 10:42:24 AM »
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I knew nothing of the outside world. I was just a frog in a well.

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« Reply #195 on: June 17, 2013, 11:51:26 PM »
As for the hideauze... I believe they forfeited their basic human rights.

I guess you could say they wanted extreme human rights.

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« Reply #196 on: June 22, 2013, 11:47:32 PM »
It's more utilitarian authoritarianism versus fluid social democracy.

The Earthlings understand the value of a strong centralized leadership, that's been demonstrated repeatedly, they simply lack a rigid structure to enforce it and generally decisions are made through representatives with popular support. They're making decisions based on the welfare of their society.

While he's claiming a traditional form of authority (I.E. divine), using his sufficiently advanced technology and the superstitious natures of his subjects, Colonel Cugel's goal is clearly to create his own Spartan kingdom in the fashion of the civilization he worships. Even the religious-seeming rituals/displays are representative of that rigid ideology, in contrast to the children running about during Ledo's appraisal of the Gargantia - this cultist flavour is a rough parody of what Ledo had come expected from humans prior to his fall. It's very Heart of Darkness, after being very Moby Dick.

The conversation between Ledo and Chambers was fascinating. All too often, particularly in American SF, you get this big (DUN DUN DUNNNNNN) reveal and there's very little ambiguity to it. For instance, the movie classics Soylant Green or Logan's Run. They (the government, corporations, ambiguous authority) are undoubtedly considered wrong for their gross treatment of human life, or other obvious moral taboo breaking and that's it. Ignoring that maybe they could have a point. The hideauze and galactic alliance have legitimate differences - perhaps insurmountable - between those who value human civilization to near worshipful levels and those who remade themselves in order to exists completely without it. It's not surprising or difficult to accept that humans are fighting a war with other humans over differing beliefs. However, both here and in Soylant Green or Logan's Run it really comes down to the lack of agency the protagonist has in determining if those reasons are good or not - something they'd never have to deal with if not for accidental exposure to the Truth.  If everyone knew that at age thirty they were going to be euthanized, and then were given the reasons why, the premise becomes more complex from a philosophical standpoint but less dramatic from a cinematic perspective. Ledo was lied to, his justifications, which required little in the way of critical thought or moral complexity, have crumbled. He can either re-frame his whole worldview, which is not easy even for a 15-16 year old, or rebuild that ideological comfort-zone that he's unknowingly been leaning on his whole life.

I like this show.
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« Reply #197 on: June 23, 2013, 01:03:01 AM »
Chamber seems to have more determination for humanity than others.

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« Reply #198 on: June 23, 2013, 02:14:06 AM »
Chamber seems to have more determination for humanity than others.

Which is interesting, because as he's said, he's a result of human civilization. Your gun telling you about your second amendment rights would be a strange experience, not to mention dubiously self-serving.

I found it makes him kind of terrifying, not simply expressing possibilities or suggesting courses of actions based on some level of intellect, but having that complex reasoning that could be at odds with Ledo's growing disillusionment. Chamber and Ledo have been thus far, despite their master/subordinate relationship, fundamentally the same thing - a war machine without much ego or drive beyond their collective purpose. Ledo's character arc has been about making him more than just a thing that kills when ordered, but Chamber is still Chamber from the beginning the best that I can tell. What happens if, or when, Ledo's reasoning is too illogical for Chamber to handle?

By expressing a level of autonomy of thought it makes me wonder just how alive he is, which is something I'd never considered before.
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« Reply #199 on: June 23, 2013, 02:19:49 AM »
And Chamber still regards himself only as Ledo's AI support system.
I get the feeling that somehow probably nothing from Ledo will be too illogical to handle.