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Bozobub:
--- Quote from: kirbyzzz on February 04, 2013, 02:18:47 AM ---{snip}
3.) Is there a limit of how many things can be seeded at one time for Bakabt or through uTorrent?
Thanks in advance!
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You can find several useful settings re: your torrent queue in uTorrent at Options>Preferences>Queuing.
"Initial seeding", BTW, is meant for when there are *very few* seeds, not necessarily only one. It has the most effect for a single seed, but still is of some use for very small ratios of seeds:peers. The usefulness of initial seeding, however, drops off VERY quickly as the seeds:peers ratio increases.
Freedom Kira:
There was a guy on another forum who decided one day to test initial seeding performance on a brand new torrent on different clients. It turns out that BitTornado's Super Seeding mode is more efficient than uTorrent's Initial Seeding mode (both 1.8.5 and 3.0.x). Using BitTornado, more seeders showed up after he seeded about 1.2x the torrent size. In uTorrent, it wasn't until about 1.5-2x the torrent size. The downside to BitTornado is that it hasn't been updated for years (perhaps that's a good thing for those who absolutely hate updating software).
Just a bit of fun trivia to add to your knowledge about Super Seeding.
zherok:
--- Quote from: Van. on February 04, 2013, 01:14:01 PM ---Think about the meaning of the word "Initial" ;)
This function is only for the initial seeding, when only one peer has all files.
I think it's necessary only for seeding of large torrents on a slow connection.
I personally never used it.
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That was my point. But I'm talking about bakabt in particular: an archival tracker with an occasionally lengthy approval process and files that are frequently easily available elsewhere (especially newer anime) and members who actually compete to get offers up.
Probably more useful on those gigantic FLAC collections or something though.
--- Quote from: Bozobub on February 04, 2013, 01:23:45 PM ---The usefulness of initial seeding, however, drops off VERY quickly as the seeds:peers ratio increases.
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That was my thinking. The newest anime release to go up on the tracker (added today) already has 156 seeds. The window for initial seeding is ridiculously small here.
Bob2004:
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on February 05, 2013, 05:14:42 AM ---There was a guy on another forum who decided one day to test initial seeding performance on a brand new torrent on different clients. It turns out that BitTornado's Super Seeding mode is more efficient than uTorrent's Initial Seeding mode (both 1.8.5 and 3.0.x). Using BitTornado, more seeders showed up after he seeded about 1.2x the torrent size. In uTorrent, it wasn't until about 1.5-2x the torrent size. The downside to BitTornado is that it hasn't been updated for years (perhaps that's a good thing for those who absolutely hate updating software).
Just a bit of fun trivia to add to your knowledge about Super Seeding.
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I was always under the impression that, rather than trying to get more seeders (ie. people with the entire torrent) as quickly as possible, the point of initial seeding was to get different bits to as many different peers as possible. In other words, try and get all of file 1 to one person, all of file 2 to a second, file 3 to a third, etc, so that the entire torrent is available from sources other than the initial seeder as soon as possible (and so that the load from other leechers is spread out as quickly as possible, too, since they can all download from each other).
So measuring the time it takes for the first other person to get the entire file is a fairly useless way of measuring efficiency, since it's a totally irrelevant statistic - it relies on the efficiency of the first few peers who get all the different bits of the torrent as much as, if not more than, the initial seeder.
Of course, I could be wrong, but that's how I understand it to work. And it does make a lot more sense, IMO.
Bozobub:
You are quite correct, Bob2004.
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