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About: ROPs and FLOPS and pixels and textels
kitamesume:
^wiki and gogeta's link.
eitherway this'll be a long discussion if she still asks.
also: price points as to why i got that estimations - [ price : name : core-config ]
$109:HD7750(512:32:16) - $120:HD8750(768:48:16) - ?? perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$159:HD7770(640:40:16) - $150:HD8770(896:56:16) - ?? perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$249:HD7850(1024:64:32) - $199:HD8850(1536:96:32) - 70% perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$349:HD7870(1280:80:32) - $279:HD8870(1792:112:32) - 54% perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$359:HD7870XT(1536:96:32) - $320-349:HD8930(2048:128:32) - ?? perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$450:HD7950(1792:112:32) - $420-450:HD8950(2304:144:48) - ?? perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
$550:HD7970(2048:128:32) - $500-550:HD8970(2560:160:48) - ?? perf increase (in terms of GFLOPs)
notice: core-config alone should tell you how the performance increase reached over 50% :laugh:
PS: if these numbers does tell us whats coming then GK110 should indeed be coming as GTX780 with a wooping monstrous performance increase over GTX680, otherwise to hell with Nvidia (no less than 40% perf increase or Nvidia would fall behind AMD this time around).
GoGeTa006:
If by she you meant me, Im a he, just FYI.
Anyways, so the 8950 seems out of reach if its going to be around the 400 mark
The 8870 couldve been if it was already out. . .
So from what will be available as of mid february, I am debating between the 660 Ti FTW, the 7950 or if price drops enough on a zotac 670.
Again, it all comes down to this question:
Which are more important, FLOPs, ROPs, Gtextels or Gpixels performancewise?.
on a 1080p monitor single (+ a TV for watching anime) but I wont be extending a single fullscreen application over 2 monitors.
And in a hierarchy because at the end of the day its pretty much comparing the 7950 with the 660 Ti FTW
if (FLOPS/ROPs >> Pixels/Textels)
then I get 7950
Else
660 Ti FTW
*EDIT*
as I keep reading reviews, as Tatsu said the FTW seems to have some issues with the cooling and many report stability problems, something thats probably fixed (some posts seemed relatively old)
ANYWAYS I am starting to lean towards the Gigabyte HD 7950 OC (900 Mhz) and probably OC it to 1Ghz, I am still seeing that stuff, although I have a question:
I CANT FIND FUCKING BACKPLATES!!
however, I do have access to a 3D printer, so I could potentially print a backplate myself but I am not sure if ABS plastic is a good material for backplates. . .has anyone owned a backplate? are they plastic or metal?
The thing is, this new Rig im building I am highly going for aesthetics and I am trying to keep everything in a black&white color scheme to go with my Fractal design R4, I am getting white light instead of colors, and I am getting an ASRock motherboard just cause they're black, and I am getting BLACK RAM too, and the fans are black n white and shit. so I really want a back plate :P cause that blue PCB will just completely ruin my rig
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: GoGeTa006 on February 06, 2013, 11:13:06 PM ---Which are more important, FLOPs, ROPs, Gtextels or Gpixels performancewise?.
on a 1080p monitor single (+ a TV for watching anime) but I wont be extending a single fullscreen application over 2 monitors.
And in a hierarchy because at the end of the day its pretty much comparing the 7950 with the 660 Ti FTW
if (FLOPS/ROPs >> Pixels/Textels)
then I get 7950
Else
660 Ti FTW
--- End quote ---
in terms of raw computation its always FLOPS > anything else, but overall performance has a balance between pixel:texture:flops, go out of ratio and one bottlenecks the other. but theres a catch, each program has a unique ideal ratio, meaning you can't have the perfect ratio e.g. one prefers more flops or the other prefers more textures.
this is why you go strictly for benchmarks on the given application that you want to see it run on, compare and voala.
but to point out, HD7950 has more headroom than GTX660Ti, its approximately in between GTX660Ti and GTX670 in terms of overall performance.
and yeah, if you're after going for a "buy by feb" then you're out of luck, neither Nvidia or AMD will be releasing earlier than june.
most of the backplates i see are made of metal, or some kind of hard plastic you see that doesn't go soft at 110-125c.
save up some money for a couple more weeks and stack more dollars, try to keep stretching your schedule and aim for those nice newegg sales(if you're getting one from newegg), worst thing that can happen is you getting impatient and pulling the trigger ;D
Saras:
--- Quote from: GoGeTa006 on February 06, 2013, 11:13:06 PM ---If by she you meant me, Im a he, just FYI.
Anyways, so the 8950 seems out of reach if its going to be around the 400 mark
The 8870 couldve been if it was already out. . .
So from what will be available as of mid february, I am debating between the 660 Ti FTW, the 7950 or if price drops enough on a zotac 670.
Again, it all comes down to this question:
Which are more important, FLOPs, ROPs, Gtextels or Gpixels performancewise?.
on a 1080p monitor single (+ a TV for watching anime) but I wont be extending a single fullscreen application over 2 monitors.
And in a hierarchy because at the end of the day its pretty much comparing the 7950 with the 660 Ti FTW
if (FLOPS/ROPs >> Pixels/Textels)
then I get 7950
Else
660 Ti FTW
*EDIT*
as I keep reading reviews, as Tatsu said the FTW seems to have some issues with the cooling and many report stability problems, something thats probably fixed (some posts seemed relatively old)
ANYWAYS I am starting to lean towards the Gigabyte HD 7950 OC (900 Mhz) and probably OC it to 1Ghz, I am still seeing that stuff, although I have a question:
I CANT FIND FUCKING BACKPLATES!!
however, I do have access to a 3D printer, so I could potentially print a backplate myself but I am not sure if ABS plastic is a good material for backplates. . .has anyone owned a backplate? are they plastic or metal?
The thing is, this new Rig im building I am highly going for aesthetics and I am trying to keep everything in a black&white color scheme to go with my Fractal design R4, I am getting white light instead of colors, and I am getting an ASRock motherboard just cause they're black, and I am getting BLACK RAM too, and the fans are black n white and shit. so I really want a back plate :P cause that blue PCB will just completely ruin my rig
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1st. Ignore the 8xxx series. AMD won't be introducing them anytime soon, due to them having their hands full producing stuff for the ps4. I wouldn't be expecting it at a price point worth mentioning in 2013 if at 2013 at all. For nVidias 7xx series, the released cards will be way out of your price range.
if you want a cool looking black motherboard, why not go for the Asus Sabertooth http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/SABERTOOTH_Z77/#gallery
The 7950, especially if overclocked, floors the 660 ti. Spec wise, if the game has no bias one way or another, the 7950 will kick the 660s ass. However, in the end, that rare and you'll need to look at the games you play. Borderlands 2 were made to be played with nVidia cards, likewise, Far Cry 3 was made for ATI. Look at the games you want to play and take a look at what they're made for.
--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 06, 2013, 08:30:55 PM ---PS: if these numbers does tell us whats coming then GK110 should indeed be coming as GTX780 with a wooping monstrous performance increase over GTX680, otherwise to hell with Nvidia (no less than 40% perf increase or Nvidia would fall behind AMD this time around).
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No it won't. The GK110 is coming in a month as the GeForce Titan A 1000$ single GPU card. It's a Tesla card, not a GTX one. The 780 will be coming with a die about the same size as the 680. nVidia, like Intel is doing everything it can to increase their profit margins and both of them have been cutting their die sizes a fast as they can.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Saras on February 09, 2013, 08:55:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 06, 2013, 08:30:55 PM ---PS: if these numbers does tell us whats coming then GK110 should indeed be coming as GTX780 with a wooping monstrous performance increase over GTX680, otherwise to hell with Nvidia (no less than 40% perf increase or Nvidia would fall behind AMD this time around).
--- End quote ---
No it won't. The GK110 is coming in a month as the GeForce Titan A 1000$ single GPU card. It's a Tesla card, not a GTX one. The 780 will be coming with a die about the same size as the 680. nVidia, like Intel is doing everything it can to increase their profit margins and both of them have been cutting their die sizes a fast as they can.
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source?
proof of estimation is AMD's incoming HD8970 being about 20-30ish percent faster than HD7970 just by looking at the increase in shader count, we know at the moment that a HD7970-GE is right at GTX680's foot in terms of performance, much more so with an overclocked HD7970-GE.
without GK110, i can't imagine a GK204(refreshed GK104 aka GTX660/660Ti/670/680) competing at that vast difference in performance, unless they took a few SMX off GK110 and named it as the GK204 instead. i also can't imagine Nvidia going for 2nd place.
edit: one thing that came to mind is Nvidia going with GTX785 as their main monster and not GTX780, its highly likely too.
the story would go around like "HD8970 way better deal than GTX780... wat!? 'nvidia throws in GK110 GTX785' nuff said"
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