Author Topic: Not getting any leechers when I seed, even though there are many? (Read 2482 times)

Boelens · « **on:** February 17, 2013, 04:19:43 PM »

Hey there,
I use Vuze for my torrents, and when I seed it only works sometimes, but not fast, and my upload speed should be able to handle more. An issue I am having however is, when I have it seed it just does nothing. There are leechers but it isn't uploaidng anything. Are there any settings I need to configure for this? I'd really like for my ratio to be good but in this way it's very hard.

Al_Sleeper · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2013, 04:42:14 PM »

a. Some leechers are actually partial seeders.
b. It is difficult to compete with seedboxes.

Bozobub · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2013, 05:59:02 AM »

Seed lots of torrents.

Out of 179 torrents I currently have set to "Force Start" (basically, "seed forever") on BakaBT, generally 18-20 are actually seeding at any given time. I have no trouble maxing any fraction of my upload bandwidth bandwidth, usually around 80% of max.

It works, honest.

Boelens · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2013, 01:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Bozobub on February 18, 2013, 05:59:02 AM

Seed lots of torrents.

Out of 179 torrents I currently have set to "Force Start" (basically, "seed forever") on BakaBT, generally 18-20 are actually seeding at any given time. I have no trouble maxing any fraction of my upload bandwidth bandwidth, usually around 80% of max.

It works, honest.

Woah. Okay then...

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2013, 02:49:24 AM »

You need to look at the seeder-to-leecher ratio, not just the number of leechers. If there are 50 leechers on a torrent that has 2000 seeders, chances are you won't be able to seed much, whereas if there are 5 leechers and 5 seeders, you're likely to seed a lot more.

And yes, lots of torrents. I've got just over 400 torrents seeding.

jaybug · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2013, 03:00:32 AM »

Quote from: Freedom Kira on February 21, 2013, 02:49:24 AM

You need to look at the seeder-to-leecher ratio, not just the number of leechers. If there are 50 leechers on a torrent that has 2000 seeders, chances are you won't be able to seed much, whereas if there are 5 leechers and 5 seeders, you're likely to seed a lot more.

And yes, lots of torrents. I've got just over 400 torrents seeding.

I hope you are a power seeder, because if I tried to do that, maybe a couple of leechers would get something like 1.7 kps. No one would get the best I can possibly up torrent 100kps.

Bozobub · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2013, 04:44:46 AM »

That's not how it works, jaybug. You'll probably find that roughly 1 in 10 of your seeding torrents are active at any given time,. Even with as few as 20, you should get some decent seeding love from the 2 or so that are probably going.

I'm guessing, but I'd bet that Freedom Kira has roughly 40 or so torrents that are actually seeding, out of those 400. Dividing your upload bandwidth by 20 or 40 shouldn't be so terrible. Furthermore, *any* upload is good; don't sneer at any positive upload number at all! It's the TOTAL uploaded over all your torrents that matters, after all, not the ratio for any given torrent.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2013, 07:42:03 PM »

I don't know if it's even as much as 40 at a time. It's more like 10-20 that run at any one time.

My ISP called me a while back to complain about my upload stats, so I've been limiting my up speed since then. I'll be switching to their super expensive, fast-for-Canada-but-slow-compared-globally, unlimited bandwidth plan when it comes out, which is supposed to be sometime this summer, probably August. Once that happens I'll be more of a "power seeder," though there's only so much you can do with 15Mbps upload. For now, I'm stuck at 20KBps.

dogsinafen · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:17:13 AM »

Offtopic...

Freedom Kira, who's your ISP? I'm curious since I might be using it.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:00:21 AM »

Shaw. Pretty much the only good consumer-level ISP over here in the West. What about you?

lunawolf999 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2013, 05:42:22 AM »

Offtopic:

Freedom Kira, I use Shaw as well and according to uTorrent 2.2.1 I upload at 60.5 kB/s regularly because I use port 1720 only for Shaw. If you want faster upload try changing the port number.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2013, 05:28:22 AM »

My speed is not a problem. I used to regularly seed half a terabyte per month (not just on BakaBT, of course) with my speed throttled to 100KBps. When I got kicked off the student promo, which no longer exists, I got called about my bandwidth usage, so I've had to throttle that down to 20.

BTW, as long as you forward the port from your router, you should have no issues with connectivity and seeding, regardless of which port you use, as long as you don't use a port defined for other services, like 80 for HTTP, 22 for SSH, etc.

Anyway, torrents. Seeding. Leechers. Seeder to leecher ratio. Anything else?

pityrules · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2013, 11:10:26 PM »

Quote from: lunawolf999 on February 25, 2013, 05:42:22 AM

Offtopic:

Freedom Kira, I use Shaw as well and according to uTorrent 2.2.1 I upload at 60.5 kB/s regularly because I use port 1720 only for Shaw. If you want faster upload try changing the port number.

Haha I can't believe I actually miss Shaw...since moving back up to Haida Gwaii, I am back with Telus who charges $2/G with no competitors. Yeah Canada has ridiculous bandwidth limitations compared to the international community but I guess that 's what we get for lots of land and few customers

We just signed up for business internet which should help. Meanwhile I have many files that I would be happy to seed but I have already re-named and organised them and created thumbgen/nfo files for them etc so to rename them would not be viable.

How to the power-seeders deal with their file organisiation while seeding? Do you just wait to rename your files? I guess that's an OCD impulse I shall have to overcome if I want to be a good seeder.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:56:28 AM »

Quote from: pityrules on March 02, 2013, 11:10:26 PM

How to the power-seeders deal with their file organisiation while seeding? Do you just wait to rename your files? I guess that's an OCD impulse I shall have to overcome if I want to be a good seeder.

There's a thread somewhere about that, I believe in the General Discussions board. You should be able to find it using the forum search function. Let's try to not derail this thread any further, please?

pityrules · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2013, 12:53:59 AM »

I thought that is what this thread is about. Should we search the forums before posting anything? BTW I did search the forums for variations on 'renaming files' before posting. I am not a terrible researcher but there is a balance between going overboard and just joining in a conversation.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:55:02 AM »

I just don't want to be held responsible for getting a thread locked before the OP confirms that his issue is resolved. Topics on this particular board are not "conversations," but a means for people to ask for help. You can post "conversation" threads in other boards, just not on the help board.

If you think you can convince anyone that "how do you organize your files" has anything to do with "help, I can't connect to leechers when I'm seeding," please do enlighten me. Otherwise, no, that is not what this thread is about, and discussing that will eventually cause a lock. Here are three different topics that are related to what you asked about; take your questions there.

pityrules · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2013, 06:22:16 AM »

OK I felt a friendly vibe when you were discussing ISPs in Canada, guess I misread that as a conversation. Consider myself scolded. The renaming has to do with seeding because I querying how to seed renamed files. I am trying to seed renamed and relocated files, and like the original poster, I have many leechers for these files but I am not actually seeding. My train of thought is admittedly more abstract but that was the connection in my mind.
I posted a link from lifehacker in another discussion that addresses this issue in part: http://lifehacker.com/5612315/how-to-seed-moved-or-renamed-files-in-bittorrent
I hope it helps someone as it did me.

HeartVivian · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2013, 06:41:43 AM »

I actually struggle as well getting upload when I am only seeding a small amount of files. I would suggest what Bobobub said and seed around 20 torrents. I am currently only seeding 10 because I am having HDD capacity issues, but around 15, from experience, seems to be a good optimal number to be seeding at.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2013, 07:45:09 AM »

Quote from: pityrules on March 05, 2013, 06:22:16 AM

OK I felt a friendly vibe when you were discussing ISPs in Canada, guess I misread that as a conversation.

Yeah, that was kinda off topic. =/ I only intended that to be a quick aside. I hope you are not mistaking trying to stick to the rules with unfriendliness though.

Quote from: HeartVivian on March 05, 2013, 06:41:43 AM

I actually struggle as well getting upload when I am only seeding a small amount of files. I would suggest what Bobobub said and seed around 20 torrents. I am currently only seeding 10 because I am having HDD capacity issues, but around 15, from experience, seems to be a good optimal number to be seeding at.

Not completely offtopic, but in response to what was stated earlier, my Verizon Fios upload rate should around 5mbps yet I only max out around 500kbs at any given time. I know it does depend on how many peers are connected and I am sure my Bittorrent client is properly optimized. Is there anyway to optimize it further?

15 is not really an optimal number. Try around 150; the more you have going, the more leechers you will have access to and therefore the better your chances of making a connection. Play with the number of connections you allow your client to make, both per torrent and globally. More connections improve your performance but will bog down your connection, so you have to find a balance there.

Your upload speed as indicated by a Speedtest indicates 5Mbps?

Also, ensure that you are connectable by forwarding the proper ports. If you don't, other peers will not be able to make connections with you, and your seeding performance will thus be based entirely on your client's ability to establish connections with peers. Which isn't necessarily terrible, of course, but it will be limited to some extent.

HeartVivian · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2013, 07:56:41 AM »

^ How do you have the HDD for that? My current internal HDD is around 1TB and it's basically already full of games, documents, music, anime, movies, etc. I haven't figured out how to properly seed torrents once I move it (and I'm actually kind of lazy to learn) so instead of spending the trouble, I copy downloaded anime over to an external HDD (also 1TB) in which I can rename/organize it. The external is also pretty much about to hit full capacity. The anime that was downloaded and still in my internal stays to be seeded. I have only downloaded 720p/1080p anime so averaging 5GB per anime. That is 750GB of space for 150 torrents of anime series averaging 5GB each which is space I currently do not have to spare.