Author Topic: Techies help me! (Read 1723 times)

GoGeTa006 · « **on:** March 02, 2013, 04:07:32 AM »

Ok, so as you might have seen on the news I have a new computer

beautiful, I love it. . .and I was bashing AMD and claiming it was oging to be my first and last Radeon card (ASUS 7950 v2)

anyways, as Soras suggested, I was going to RMA it, so I took it out and was using thec omputer with the intel graphics. . .
BOOM
B S O D!

red flag Gogeta. . .that means all this shit you've been talking was not entirely due to the Radeon. . .

Ok, Gogeta transforms into Mr. Gogeta the techie . . .

lets start by re-installing windows. . .no video card, only integrated graphics. (prime suspect: SSD)
BSOD
ok lets try another hard drive.
BSOD! . . .(prime suspect: RAM)
1 stick of RAM
BSOD
other stick of RAM
BSOD
both stick of RAM in different slots
BSOD
so, my suspects are down to the motherboard or the processor itself?
or maybe the RAM? I dont know the windows memory testing is relatively quick. . .I know memtest took hours and this thing took minutes. . .will probably have to do memtest and see whats up. . .

any other ideas?

my BSOD that I have been logging so far (I started logging them 2 hours ago)

- IRQL not less or equal
- Memory Management
*EDIT: just got a new one*
- PFN_LIST_CORRUPT
*EDIT 2: while updating*
- SYSTEM_SERVICE_ EXCEPTION

need to pin-point this bad boy and need the help of the BakaBT league of PC-health-and-justice

I've been running steady for an hour or so, I thought Chrome was a suspect or flash or java or something running in chrome (since it always crashed when chrome was top window left unattended) anyways, I installed EVERYTHING, every driver even the things I disabled in the BIOS I installed them (like intel rapidstart or whatever and those intel connect shit) just to see. . .what happens. . .

questions:

- do I need to install intel HD Graphics drivers even though Im running another video card?

vuzedome · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2013, 05:41:26 AM »

Go into safe mode, delete the AMD graphics drivers, then boot as normal, install Intel's.

kitamesume · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2013, 06:54:02 AM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on March 02, 2013, 04:07:32 AM

questions:

- do I need to install intel HD Graphics drivers even though Im running another video card?

no, just install the drivers of which you use.

eitherway theres like, a ton of possible causes.

PSU
motherboard
CPU
etc.

unless you have spare parts it'd take a long while to find the real cause.

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anyway, if you can go into bios, check the settings, voltage settings, clockspeed, etc.
then if it still does BSOD try pushing the clockspeed to minimum and increase the voltage to 1.4v.
if it still does BSOD try to swap the PSU.
if it still does BSOD its the motherboard.

to point out, if changing the settings makes it stable it means that either the motherboard is faulty or the settings isn't just right.
if pushing the clockspeed of the CPU down and upping the voltage makes it stable, it means the CPU is faulty.
if switching the PSU makes it stable then its possible that the PSU is faulty.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2013, 07:47:29 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on March 02, 2013, 06:54:02 AM

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on March 02, 2013, 04:07:32 AM
questions:

- do I need to install intel HD Graphics drivers even though Im running another video card?
no, just install the drivers of which you use.

eitherway theres like, a ton of possible causes.

PSU
motherboard
CPU
etc.

unless you have spare parts it'd take a long while to find the real cause.

----------------

anyway, if you can go into bios, check the settings, voltage settings, clockspeed, etc.
then if it still does BSOD try pushing the clockspeed to minimum and increase the voltage to 1.4v.
if it still does BSOD try to swap the PSU.
if it still does BSOD its the motherboard.

to point out, if changing the settings makes it stable it means that either the motherboard is faulty or the settings isn't just right.
if pushing the clockspeed of the CPU down and upping the voltage makes it stable, it means the CPU is faulty.
if switching the PSU makes it stable then its possible that the PSU is faulty.

Well, I went to the BIOS and "load-defaults" and jus disabled intel rapid start and smart connect. . .
I've been running without BSoD's
BUT!
now I have this weird freeze where the screen just becomes like a shit load of horizontal lines (it looks 110% like a video-problem), I dont know how to describe this to google it

heres a picture taken from my iPad:

but then my question is, is this a driver problem? should I RMA the card? It costs to ship everything back to newegg so I dont want to be just RMA'ing the shit out of everything. . .I already RMA'd (by error apparently) the SSD and well that wasnt so bad since its small and light. . .

nstgc · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2013, 08:09:21 PM »

You are saying that you have been reinsalling windows. At what point does it blue screen?

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2013, 08:18:36 PM »

Quote from: nstgc on March 02, 2013, 08:09:21 PM

You are saying that you have been reinsalling windows. At what point does it blue screen?

I can reinstall windows OK, I get to the desktop and everything seems fine. I havent tried not doing anything actually.

anyways first thing I do is install .net framework cause the CCC install says something about the .net framework missing.

I install the motherboard drivers (LAN, Audio, Chipset, VGA, USB3)
so far so good and then after a restart I am susceptible to BSoD 's

I havent gotten any BSoD's anymore (after I defaulted everything in the BIOS) so maybe it was something there, but as I EDITED my last post, I am getting this screen PC freeze

Saras · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2013, 08:23:24 PM »

Are you playing around with the integrated graphics or the 7950? The problem persists whether you have the 7950 and it's drivers in the equation or not? I'm confused.

nstgc · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2013, 08:29:46 PM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on March 02, 2013, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: nstgc on March 02, 2013, 08:09:21 PM
You are saying that you have been reinsalling windows. At what point does it blue screen?

I can reinstall windows OK, I get to the desktop and everything seems fine. I havent tried not doing anything actually.

anyways first thing I do is install .net framework cause the CCC install says something about the .net framework missing.

I install the motherboard drivers (LAN, Audio, Chipset, VGA, USB3)
so far so good and then after a restart I am susceptible to BSoD 's

I havent gotten any BSoD's anymore (after I defaulted everything in the BIOS) so maybe it was something there, but as I EDITED my last post, I am getting this screen PC freeze

Have you tried installing each individually and then restarting, then using your computer for a little bit (I know its painful, with out the VGA drivers, but its necessary).

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2013, 08:32:41 PM »

Quote from: Saras on March 02, 2013, 08:23:24 PM

Are you playing around with the integrated graphics or the 7950? The problem persists whether you have the 7950 and it's drivers in the equation or not? I'm confused.

at first I reinstalled windows without the video card, just the HD Graphics (Intel) and I still had the BSOD so I ASSUMED the Graphics card wasnt defective. so on my other attempt at reinstalling windows, I again intalled the video card. so right now I am running the computer on everything except the SSD (which I RMA'd):

- Intel i5 3570K
- CM Hyper TX3
- Asus Direct CUII Radeon HD7950
- AsRock H77 Pro/MVP
- Corsair Vengeance 1600 2x8GB
- OCZ 700W 80+ PSU

I just "disabled" HD graphics adapter in the device manager to see if that helps somehow. . .I am using CCC only. I did not install HD Graphics drivers.

Quote from: nstgc on March 02, 2013, 08:29:46 PM

Have you tried installing each individually and then restarting, then using your computer for a little bit (I know its painful, with out the VGA drivers, but its necessary).

I guess I will have to try that =,=

Saras · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2013, 09:37:43 PM »

If you want to make sure whether the problem stems from the 7950 or not, you have to remove it from the equation completely. No catalyst drivers, no card, no nothing.

Once you're there. Furmark / 3d mark / Prime 95 / ... / whatever you use to stress the system.

nstgc · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2013, 09:53:12 PM »

Quote from: Saras on March 02, 2013, 09:37:43 PM

If you want to make sure whether the problem stems from the 7950 or not, you have to remove it from the equation completely. No catalyst drivers, no card, no nothing.

Once you're there. Furmark / 3d mark / Prime 95 / ... / whatever you use to stress the system.

If Gogetta is getting a blue screen without the card in, then he has already done as you asked. Thats why I suggested that he install each piece of software separately.

Oh, by the way, GoGeta, have you made sure your RAM is on your mainboard's compatibility list?

Tiffanys · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2013, 09:56:51 PM »

Download CoreTemp and check your CPU temperature when this happens.

Most likely suspect I think might be a faultly PSU, but it could really be any number of things. I assumed that if my video card wasn't overheating it wasn't the culprit so I replaced practically the rest of my rig before discovering that my video card wasn't overheating, it was just dying. Shit like that can really fuck with you...

But anyways, if you have another PSU laying around you could try that. It's probably the easiest thing to rule out.

nstgc · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Tiffanys on March 02, 2013, 09:56:51 PM

Download CoreTemp and check your CPU temperature when this happens.

Most likely suspect I think might be a faultly PSU, but it could really be any number of things. I assumed that if my video card wasn't overheating it wasn't the culprit so I replaced practically the rest of my rig before discovering that my video card wasn't overheating, it was just dying. Shit like that can really fuck with you...

But anyways, if you have another PSU laying around you could try that. It's probably the easiest thing to rule out.

I can't believe it took so many posts for someone to bring the PSU into suspect! I feel so ashamed...

Saras · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:03:20 PM »

The PSU was mentioned in the second reply. And I'm not completely sure he did that, so I'm just getting that straight.

TheOtherJN · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:24:49 PM »

I'd also suggest looking into the PSU and then the motherboard before anything else. My brother had a similar problem before, where his motherboard suddenly wouldn't go into the BIOS anymore. He replaced the power supply and it's running even better than before (1000W overkill changed to 700W).

My friend couldn't go into his BIOS on his old computer as well after installing a new PSU. Found out he mis-wired a few things and the problem was solved. Apparently a lot of these problems can be traced back to the PSU.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:47:46 PM »

I dont really suspect the PSU since I've had faulty PSU's and they usually shut the computer down. . .the fact that I am getting enough time to blue screen or whatever makes me rule out the PSU as a posibility. . .

got some news:

as mentioned I had finally stopped the BLUE SCREENS by using default settings in the BIOS, WHICH MEANS:
- It was probably something with the CPU, since I had some settings for "optimized" (HA!) performance
- I had those freezing problems that I mentioned earlier, no blue screens though.

I just removed the video card and CCC and used driver sweeper to delete any leftovers. and I am currently running on Intel HD Graphics only.
I've gotten 3 BSoD so far:
- SPECIAL_POOL_DETECT ED_MEMORY_CORRUPTIO N
and two with no name but it said "A device driver attempting to corrupt the system has been caught. The faulty driver currently on the kernel stack must be replaced"

So, by this happening I am down to 2 suspects:

- the CPU's GPU was conflicting with the other video card giving me that frozen screen, now that its working alone its giving me BSoD

- the RAM:

Quote from: nstgc on March 02, 2013, 09:53:12 PM

Oh, by the way, Gogeta, have you made sure your RAM is on your mainboard's compatibility list?

Gogeta is fine (no need to strain your pinkie on the GoGeTa)

anyways I was looking into that and I am not too sure: look at this:

I have this:
CORSAIR Vengeance 16 GB 2x8

Which is NOT listed here
but other CORSAIR vengeance sticks are there and listed as OK. so maybe thats the culprit huh?
ITS FUCKED UP! I mean those sticks look great with my rig and I got htem for like 80 bux on fucking sale!

Saras · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:57:43 PM »

Not listed =/= doesn't work. It just means that the manufacturer didn't put those sticks in.

nstgc · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2013, 11:28:59 PM »

Also, Corsair has a list of motherboards that work with their stuff.

In anycase, if you say its working fine, than I suppose you don't need us to help any more GoGeTa.

ah shit my pinky1

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 02, 2013, 11:34:16 PM »

Ok I think I found the culprit. . .I THINK . . .hopefully. . .hopefully

although its weird that the ASUS Vid card stops Blue screens and turns them into freezes. . .but AFAIK, IIRC (its been around 4 years since I used memtest)

this isnt how its supposed to look right?:

nstgc · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2013, 12:01:00 AM »

Thats uh....no. While I see that you're speed and timings are okay, are you using the XMP profile explicitly. I know I have problems sometimes when I don't. Also, I see thats single channeled. Does the other stick have the same problem? Do you have some other RAM to put in there?