Quick question on DL/UL

[kojito00]

Hello,

Just curious, what is considered a safe, but good download and upload speed? By safe I mean below the radar, before your ISP sends you a warning? Because from how I understand it, if they  see you downloading or uploading large files at high speed, then you get flagged, right? Thanks.

[Bozobub]

Thgere's no way anyone can answer that for you.  We don't know your ISP, bandwidth, or any of that mess.  You expect psychics..?

[kojito00]

Oh, haha, I didn't know about that. In general, though, if you were to give an example, what would it be?

[gits]

Kojito, there is nothing like general example and what warning do you mean?
If you mean warning because you are downloading/uploading over limit it really depends on the internet package you chose.
And if you mean warning because you are downloading illegaly anime then it depends on country you live in and ISP.

[kojito00]

Kojito, there is nothing like general example and what warning do you mean?
If you mean warning because you are downloading/uploading over limit it really depends on the internet package you chose.
And if you mean warning because you are downloading illegaly anime then it depends on country you live in and ISP.

Yep, the second part of your question nails it. I was wondering because, say, if you were downloading a file that's quite large at max speed, then I thought your ISP would be looking at that and say, "hmmmm....," right? I mean, that's like a large bleep in the radar, no? Or at least that's what I thought. But let's redo it from the top; if you were from the USA and your ISP is Comcast or AT&T with whatever bandwidth is popular with a regular household (say, if it was your bandwidth), then how fast would you limit your UL/DL?

P.S.,

What I mean with the second part of your response refers to downloading anime illegally; this came to mind because I saw a 1080p Black Lagoon here, on BakaBT, and on the comment section most people were saying that it's licensed, so I became curious. Thank you for the replies!

[Xycolian2332]

Kojito, there is nothing like general example and what warning do you mean?
If you mean warning because you are downloading/uploading over limit it really depends on the internet package you chose.
And if you mean warning because you are downloading illegaly anime then it depends on country you live in and ISP.

Yep, the second part of your question nails it. I was wondering because, say, if you were downloading a file that's quite large at max speed, then I thought your ISP would be looking at that and say, "hmmmm....," right? I mean, that's like a large bleep in the radar, no? Or at least that's what I thought. But let's redo it from the top; if you were from the USA and your ISP is Comcast or AT&T with whatever bandwidth is popular with a regular household (say, if it was your bandwidth), then how fast would you limit your UL/DL?

Whether or not you limit your UL/DL doesn't matter. If they see a constant, stable usage over a period of time, then it'd be easy to flag your accpunt as suspicious. I mean if your maximum UL/DL is 100 kb/s , but you limit it to 25 kb/s for each category, then it'd be quite easy to see that you've been steadily using 25 kb/s over the course of x days.

In short, I don't think the speed in which you DL/UL something matters. There are other ways in which they can determine whether or not you are up to something "suspicious".

[kojito00]

Ok, thanks Xycolian. That quenched my curiousity, haha. Thanks again!

[Bozobub]

The ISP can look at every single damn packet that goes to and from your system.  It's that simple.  The only way to achieve any kind of security with BitTorrent is via the use of a VPN.

[Bob2004]

Yeah, how fast you're downloading is irrelevant. Your ISP can just look and go "Oh, he downloaded a torrent file from Bakabt.me! He must be a pirate!"

That said, they won't generally care unless they receive a notice from a copyright holder that you've been pirating their content. In which case they'll just follow whatever standard procedure they have for that.

After all, it's not the ISP's job to police rightsholders' content for them. So they almost certainly won't be paying any attention to it; they don't want to piss off their customers unless they absolutely have to.

[kojito00]

If you do receive a warning from your ISP, though, how scared should you be? Should you cease DL/UL activities until things blow over? Because I've read several articles, especially pertaining to the new six strikes policy that most ISP are adopting, and some opinions are voicing the idea of this laying foundations for a precedent to a much harsher law, whereas others are saying it's practically nothing. What do you guys think? It'll be much appreciated, too, if you've got first hand experience of ISP reprimands and such that you can share and what actions you have taken.

[Freedom Kira]

I think that you should move out of the States. Screw that stupid "six strikes" bullshit.

[kojito00]

You know, it's kinda funny where the US is heading, really. Just yesterday I heard that a court convicted a defendant in New York for fantasizing about committing cannibalism. He was charged with conspiracy for thinking about it. But then again, that sets a terrible precedent for future rulings. I mean, f***, we can get convicted now for having "bad" thoughts. Seriously, I very much doubt that no one has ever had a fantasy of committing a heist and become rich, even if said in jest. Or conversations among group of friends saying something like "Man, wouldn't it be nice if we did (insert activity here)?" He might have done it, sure, but it still remains that he didn't do it.

P.S.,

Imagine if Alfred Hitchcock were alive today, cops will be all over him and throw him in jail for having a mind that created "Psycho." Shit, seriously.

[Al_Sleeper]

You know, it's kinda funny where the US is heading, really. Just yesterday I heard that a court convicted a defendant in New York for fantasizing about committing cannibalism. He was charged with conspiracy for thinking about it. But then again, that sets a terrible precedent for future rulings. I mean, f***, we can get convicted now for having "bad" thoughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Crimes

[kojito00]

LOL, Big Brother is watching.

[Al_Sleeper]

Welcome to 1984 .

[Bozobub]

He was charged with a little more than a "thought crime".  He used police resources to research his intended victims, for example.

[megido-rev.M]

You know, it's kinda funny where the US is heading, really. Just yesterday I heard that a court convicted a defendant in New York for fantasizing about committing cannibalism. He was charged with conspiracy for thinking about it. But then again, that sets a terrible precedent for future rulings. I mean, f***, we can get convicted now for having "bad" thoughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Crimes

Reminds me of Psycho-Pass.