new android phone candidate

[kitamesume]

what you read was tatsu's, it can certainly play 1080P 10bit but most likely its MX player's decoder, although yeah in general snapdragon APQ8064 isn't enough.

the MX Player isn't as great as what I thought it was going to be if it can't play certain 720p and 1080p and chokes on them.

HTC one won't be that much faster than APQ8064 either, since they use the same krait cores with just a few mhz bump.
tho to elaborate, the difference is like this.

jbutterfly=1.5ghz vs HTC one = 1.7ghz
19,800 DMIPS vs 22,440 DMIPS = 13.33% faster

yet other factors can happen, since snapdragon 600 uses a faster ram interface.

TL;DR = just wait for them

[Clannad_92]

So, its about the software? Im using mxplayer as my default player, btw...

[kitamesume]

not only software, but the hiccups on tatsu's nexus4 might be in relation with the software as well as the hardware.
theres also one other problem with cellphones, its the read-speed of the storage may it internal or the uSD, if its too slow it'd end up with stutters when the file read can't keep up, similar to how streaming needs a minimum bandwidth.

[Clannad_92]

I think that also the reason why my phone read 10bit slower than before ( it was lag anyway, galaxy s2)
Before 32gb memcard, now using 64gb memcard...

[zherok]

I tried a bunch of players on my GS3, none of them could play 10-bit 720p stuff without lagging.

[kitamesume]

^ if thats the case then my hypothesis would be possible.

that if CPU decode capacity is plenty then the smoothness of playback depends on the bitrate of the file and the read speed of the storage, if for example you play a 10MB bitrate(sum of audio and video bitrate) video from a class4 card it'd obviously buffer from time to time.
not to mention the bitrate isn't entirely flat either where possibly theres a spike in bitrate(usually parts with heavy action), usually the label is averaged from the file's contents.

edit: for comparison i've tried it on a USB thumbdrive which had trash read and write speed (both under 10MB/s) and pretty much redline couldn't play flat smooth.

[Saras]

I tried a bunch of players on my GS3, none of them could play 10-bit 720p stuff without lagging.

Tried the same on my nexus 7. I'd describe the results as the same, even thought the tegra is quite a bit slower than exynos 4 quad.

Chances are, it's not the CPU that's the problem in 10 bit playback. Or at least supercharging it won't solve everything.

If I have the time, I'll do a proper test with a third party kernel to overclock it from 1,2 to 1,7GHz and see if that has significant effect on the stutters.

[zherok]

I've got the American model, it's a dualcore Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 rather than the Exynos 4 Quad in the international version. I think the quadcore model is still a bit short of playing them if this is any indication.

[kitamesume]

I tried a bunch of players on my GS3, none of them could play 10-bit 720p stuff without lagging.

Tried the same on my nexus 7. I'd describe the results as the same, even thought the tegra is quite a bit slower than exynos 4 quad.

Chances are, it's not the CPU that's the problem in 10 bit playback. Or at least supercharging it won't solve everything.

If I have the time, I'll do a proper test with a third party kernel to overclock it from 1,2 to 1,7GHz and see if that has significant effect on the stutters.

benchtest the internal storage for this test too, and try low bitrate file(within the bench result) while you're at it.

[Slysoft]

I have and always will advocate and buy only the nexus line of android phones until either carriers start supporting phones they've already sold or I lose interest in android. At this point extra hardware specs of a phone are just overkill. All that matters is software which it just so happens you will never get on anything but a nexus right now. Although that can be attributed mostly to the fact that the average consumer doesn't care and/or isn't informed. 1080p on a 4-5 inch screen is retarded. A processor that is faster than many general consumer laptops on a cell phone is retarded. HDCP capabilities is almost valid except assuming you are buying off contract (which is cheaper over the life of the phone) you may as well just buy an HDCP that doesn't have all the playback issues.

[kitamesume]

A processor that is faster than many general consumer laptops on a cell phone is retarded.

this is not true, majority of "decent laptops" start with AMD's Llano and Trinity lines, followed by intel pentiums paired with GT620M otherwise they're practically junk that can't even handle 1080P PSD renders without stalling for a good minute. do notice anything slower than these are the well-known Zacate and Atom.

other than that, do justify that having a portable mediaplayer doubling for communication and gaming handset that can fit your pocket on top of it's battery lasting at least 4-6hours of heavy usage "RETARDED".
convenience can't ever be tagged as "RETARDED", and the convenience it provides justifies the price which isn't "RETARDED".

if these powerful smartphones wasn't ever produced you'd still be stuck with a PSP+(dumb)phone+laptop which won't ever be practical with just a bare pocket.

[Saras]

I tried a bunch of players on my GS3, none of them could play 10-bit 720p stuff without lagging.

Tried the same on my nexus 7. I'd describe the results as the same, even thought the tegra is quite a bit slower than exynos 4 quad.

Chances are, it's not the CPU that's the problem in 10 bit playback. Or at least supercharging it won't solve everything.

If I have the time, I'll do a proper test with a third party kernel to overclock it from 1,2 to 1,7GHz and see if that has significant effect on the stutters.

benchtest the internal storage for this test too, and try low bitrate file(within the bench result) while you're at it.

That's not going to be an issue. I've watched several 720p videos with a combined bitrate of >5000kbps. If it can deal with those, it sure as fuck can read fast enough for anime which rarely exceeds 2500kbps for 720p bdrips.

A processor that is faster than many general consumer laptops on a cell phone is retarded.

this is not true, majority of "decent laptops" start with AMD's Llano and Trinity lines, followed by intel pentiums paired with GT620M otherwise they're practically junk that can't even handle 1080P PSD renders without stalling for a good minute. do notice anything slower than these are the well-known Zacate and Atom.

other than that, do justify that having a portable mediaplayer doubling for communication and gaming handset that can fit your pocket on top of it's battery lasting at least 4-6hours of heavy usage "RETARDED".
convenience can't ever be tagged as "RETARDED", and the convenience it provides justifies the price which isn't "RETARDED".

if these powerful smartphones wasn't ever produced you'd still be stuck with a PSP+(dumb)phone+laptop which won't ever be practical with just a bare pocket.

Except for the fact that a phone with a 5" screen isn't really pocketable either. Get me that in something that's between 4-5.5cms x 9-10cms and I'm sold. Get me that in the size of a gs3 and I'm taking my tablet or my laptop. And for the price flagship phones come in, you're not exactly stuck with intel atom class laptops either, if you're not going for one with a gaming GPU, you can easilly get something with an i7.


P.S.
Stock, CPU@1.3/GPU@446
Vellamo - HTML5/1395, Metal/378
AnTuTu - 12021 (CPU/5756, GPU/3575)

Trinity kernel, CPU@1.7/GPU@666
Vellamo - HTML5/1589, Metal/510
AnTuTu - 14569 (CPU/7379, GPU/3908)

The evaluation is subjective, as I couldn't find any statistics/dropped frames/whatever section in mxplayer. But quite frankly, I couldn't see any real difference, at the very least not anything noticeable, nor something that would suggest a 30% overclock being present. So then, what's left? The software's shit. That's all.

[kitamesume]

wait, imao how small is your pocket :X [5.5cm x 10cm] is awfully small, even smaller than a wallet.

is there any refined player out there though? otherwise its pretty much a combined issue of insufficient processing power and an inefficient decoding software.
kinda wish we could tell how high CPU usage is during decode/playback.

[Saras]

wait, imao how small is your pocket :X [5.5cm x 10cm] is awfully small, even smaller than a wallet.

is there any refined player out there though? otherwise its pretty much a combined issue of insufficient processing power and an inefficient decoding software.
kinda wish we could tell how high CPU usage is during decode/playback.

That's the size of my current phone, and frankly I consider it larger than it needs be already.

My pockets aren't small. However, once you add small change, thumb drive, keys, bundled up IEMs, a wallet and a handkerchief. It tends to become crowded. About twice as crowded as I'd prefer.

And nope, all of the players, to my knowledge, suck.

[kitamesume]

ohh you had that much stuff packed on one sidepocket, well it would be crowded indeed, but normally it should be smartphone+wallet.hard.case for one pocket and a handkerchief+change on the other, keys and thumbdrive can hang on your belt with this.

you end up with the hard-stuffs not scratching your phone and easier to sort-out stuffs since they got their own isolation. well not to change your tastes and all, its what i think would be better although other people i know just bring their own mini-handbags and throw everything in it.

having a yōjigen-pocket must be really convenient

[Clannad_92]

ehem, i just notice that newer phone's screen is 5"

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silly me

...isnt that too big, almost the same as galaxy note? i also fear the battery life vs quad core will make me think thrice about changing phone...

and about the player, hope that dev will come up with solution with inability to play 1080 10bit with no lag...

[kitamesume]

the 5" isn't too big, i got a 4.5" and half an inch more isn't much different.

the battery is of a concern, but its all about battery management when you're using the phone, e.g. turn off wifi when not in use, turn down screen brightness, throttle cpu when not in use, etc.

edit:
hey GS4 just came out, officially.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1298554/samsung-galaxy-s4-release-date-price-specs-unveiled
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys4/

[Clannad_92]

already tried mayo chiki BD 1080p 10bit with my friend's Galaxy S3, cant play it well...i thought that latest version of mxplayer pro enable the device to play (before update my S2 cant play bakemonogatari BD 1080p 8bit, after update can play it smoothly)

so, gonna hold back for the phone, since some suggest that the software is not powerful enough (well, hope that Butterfly can play it after mxplayer dev make some tweaks)...

[kitamesume]

already tried mayo chiki BD 1080p 10bit with my friend's Galaxy S3, cant play it well...i thought that latest version of mxplayer pro enable the device to play (before update my S2 cant play bakemonogatari BD 1080p 8bit, after update can play it smoothly)

so, gonna hold back for the phone, since some suggest that the software is not powerful enough (well, hope that Butterfly can play it after mxplayer dev make some tweaks)...

samsung-GS4 is out and its packed with muscles, software won't be getting any updates anytime soon though.

[xShadow]

the battery is of a concern, but its all about battery management when you're using the phone, e.g. turn off wifi when not in use, turn down screen brightness, throttle cpu when not in use, etc.

The largest battery time increase I ever had was when I changed my kernel and then used a different cpu governor or whatever. Just using it for surfing occasionally while somewhere, I have noted my battery lasting well over 40–60 hours, regularly (I have screen shot records) . Under constant heavy use, about 6–10 (never really recorded it). Note I did not change the ROM... Just the kernel. I also have battery savings mode off, and I have wifi on even when not in use.


Also ffs stop playing 720/1080p BDs on a portable device. Just be satisfied with it playing regular 720p this well... Considering that's its fucking resolution.