new android phone candidate

[kitamesume]

i wonder if DDR4 would have any impact to phones and tablet productions.

DDR4's advantages is that they're faster and more energy efficient than DDR3 or even the LPDDR3 which means they should be a better candidate for these ultra-mobile gadgets.
to top it off, DDR4 is announced to have higher densities reaching 1GB per chip (16GB sticks with 8x2 chips back-to-back) so one or two chip should be plenty for phones which saves more traces and energy.

[mgz]

so, at google i/o they announced that the galaxy s4 will be the first "nexus experience" device, which essentially just means it isn't a nexus (not developed by google) but will run stock android and get software updates from google. The downside (upside?) is that you have to pay full price (it will cost $649 on the play store) which is actually cheaper over the life of the phone because contract plans are way more expensive than off contract, but if you are poor then you might not be able to afford the up front cost (however, if you don't have $649 to spend then why are you even in the market for high end gadgets?). You will also only be able to use it on gsm providers, but that isn't a big deal really since t-mobile is the best carrier.

how are non contract plans so much cheaper? unless you go with one of those shitty little companies that just use other peoples towers you dont get a price break in your plan

Depends on the country and the carriers I suppose.

I'm a contract-less customer, and I pay something along the lines of ~6$/mo for unlimited sms, 300 minutes of call time and a gig of data a month for my phone bill, If I had a phone like the S4 out on a 2 year contract, I'd be paying ~50$/mo for exactly the same thing + the phone.

oh i couldnt even use a plan like that. I burn through like 1200 minutes a month and like 6 gigs of data on my phone

[Saras]

so, at google i/o they announced that the galaxy s4 will be the first "nexus experience" device, which essentially just means it isn't a nexus (not developed by google) but will run stock android and get software updates from google. The downside (upside?) is that you have to pay full price (it will cost $649 on the play store) which is actually cheaper over the life of the phone because contract plans are way more expensive than off contract, but if you are poor then you might not be able to afford the up front cost (however, if you don't have $649 to spend then why are you even in the market for high end gadgets?). You will also only be able to use it on gsm providers, but that isn't a big deal really since t-mobile is the best carrier.

how are non contract plans so much cheaper? unless you go with one of those shitty little companies that just use other peoples towers you dont get a price break in your plan

Depends on the country and the carriers I suppose.

I'm a contract-less customer, and I pay something along the lines of ~6$/mo for unlimited sms, 300 minutes of call time and a gig of data a month for my phone bill, If I had a phone like the S4 out on a 2 year contract, I'd be paying ~50$/mo for exactly the same thing + the phone.

oh i couldnt even use a plan like that. I burn through like 1200 minutes a month and like 6 gigs of data on my phone

And that's why you have Wifi available to you basically anywhere you go in the larger cities. Also, that's the cheapest plan they offer, I took a quick look and the one for what you've said would cost 18$/mo with 1800 minutes and 10gigs at my carrier without a contract. Anyway, all of this is besides the point.

It's still weird for me how there's so little difference between contractless and contracted users between the areas.

[Slysoft]

I pay 45 dollars a month for unlimited talk / text and unlimited data with no throttling from t-mobile but that's including a military discount.

[WizardFreak9]

I've run into similar problems with watching on mobile, honestly its the reason why I wrote up my script, honestly not having to worry about lag is worth deleting files when your done with them. (I have a always on machine that launches the script on all my downloads, if anyone is interested in details feel free to pm me.)

[metro.]

Yeah,well, I'm from Canada so our mobile plans are shit.


Honestly though, go for HTC, if you're not going full google.

[kamuixtv99]

Seems no one mentioned Xperia Z? I have the tablet Z it's the same as the phone, it's quad core, I know Samsung S4 has a better/a bit faster cpu but I like Z's features, water and dust resistant plus the casing is glass not a plastic. If you like a phablet go for Togari (Xperia Z Ultra), bravia engine is now called x-reality and Togari will be the first one to use x-reality. I only watch SD videos on my Tablet Z but it looks like upscaled with mobile bravia, I have some HD videos as well but I watch on a bigger screen. Download the app Player MX, it has 10 bit support, I find it amazing, whoever made that app really watches anime.

[Saikoro]

Arr, what do i read there? Those phones can't playback 1080p 10bit?
Damn!!! xD
I was so looking forward to finally watch 1080p anime on my parents' hdtv!
I've always wanted to do that, but didn't know how to do it with the laptop, besides it being my old man's laptop, so he might not agree. If it's my own device, i can do what i want, is what i thought. Even bought that expensive cable...
But it's all no use if the hardware or software cannot handle it. How disappointing.
Hmm... Q__Q
Well, if it could play big 720p encodes well, that would also be good. Guess i'll just have to check it out.

edit:
Ah, lol!
Just tried a small 720 encode at 230mb/episode and the pans were totally jerky. XD
Guess these things are really no good for watching anime.

Btw, sorry for taking it off-topic, it's just that this video watching thing was a major point for me when buying my smartphone, but i got it all wrong. Ah well... i might have taken this one even without that.

[megido-rev.M]

At this point in time phones don't really go better than 720p encodes, and 10-bit makes it harder.

[Saikoro]

Hm... then i'd better go for older series, where 8-bit dvd encodes are the ultimate versions.
Does 10-bit really make a big difference? I never noticed any difference in performance on my computer.

[megido-rev.M]

The video decoding hardware in phones currently just decode 8-bit video, meaning all the work will be pushed to the CPU for 10-bit.

[Saikoro]

Oh... i see! Then it's the phone makers' fault for lagging behind the times.
I didn't even know there was video decoding hardware in phones. *can't really imagine how that works*

[kitamesume]

1080P 8Bit is playable for most quad-cores, most ARMs has Hardware Acceleration but thats a hit-or-miss, and 10Bit Hardware acceleration isn't possible, even on the Desktop PC.

for phones though 10Bit is manageable, but you need at least a quad-core A9 or better to get a decent playback for 720P 10Bit.
as of this time 1080P 10Bit still isn't playable for the most part, although deadfish's encodes sometimes could playback smoothly.

edit: if you want to decode 1080P 10Bit encodes though, you might wanna look at incoming Atom Bay-trail, no i doubt the Phone Bay-trail would have enough Ghz to decode a full blown 1080P 10Bit, but the tablet Bay-trail should have enough.
if you don't understand what this is, Intel decided to launch processors to compete against the IPad, Nexus7 or Galaxy Tabs.

[Saikoro]

10Bit Hardware acceleration isn't possible, even on the Desktop PC.

Oh. .__."
That's actually kinda interesting. I assumed 10-bit worked exactly the same way as 8-bit, because after installing a 10-bit capable player i never had any issues with it at all. So i didn't have to look it up or troubleshoot before. Now i'm getting more curious about how it works.

The problem with 8-bit is that it doesn't seem to be used that much anymore, so it might get difficult finding the show i wanna see in 8-bit (and good quality, if it's blocky it wouldn't be worth watching on the big screen to begin with). But i guess i'll just grab a hdmi cable and try to use the laptop for video playback. >__>;

edit: if you want to decode 1080P 10Bit encodes though, you might wanna look at incoming Atom Bay-trail, no i doubt the handset Bay-trail would have enough Ghz to decode a full blown 1080P 10Bit, but the tablet Bay-trail should have enough.

Ah well, i already bought the phone now and the original reason for that wasn't the need of a hand-held video decoder. I really just needed a portable and customizable organizer-alarm hybrid, as i tend to space out irl.
It was just one of the reasons i got the latest and greatest instead of some random device.
If it doesn't do the job, as written above, i will resort to the laptop. For some reason i used to assume that it would be difficult to get the video from the laptop to the tv screen, apart from my old man's possible complaints about it. xD'
Gotta man up if i wanna watch those hd videos!

[megido-rev.M]

It's mainly new encodes that are using 10-bit.

[Saikoro]

Yes, but it has been around for a few years now and i've seen some older encodes on bbt be replaced with new ones (which are often 10-bit). So it might be like having to look for xvid encodes instead of h264 encodes. They exist, but become fewer in number and harder to find as time passes and people switch to the new technology. Or so was my random guess without doing research.

Can't be helped, it's almost morning and i gotta hit the sack now. It was just a slight shock that my brand-new device of awesome wasn't capable of all the things i thought it was.

[kitamesume]

for 10Bit - http://torrentfreaknews.blogspot.com/2013/03/high-10-profile-hi10p10-bit-encodes.html
this should give you an idea of what it is.

as for Hardware Acceleration, well think of it as a dedicated processing-chip for decoding video files, but decoding 10Bits requires as much as 4times the processing power and not to mention it needs a special layout since mapping 10Bit isn't the same as mapping 8Bit.

[Tatsujin]

Hi all...its been a while since i last accesed to bakabt because of something related to avatar...

Anyway, im planning to replace my galaxy s2...candidates; htc one (the latest), htc j butterfly, galaxy s4...
Before continuing, i choose these phone because its shape is similar to galaxy s2 (yes, the shape)...i dont like galaxy s3 shape, curvy...

Ok, im looking for storage (external+internal), ability to play 10bit 1080p anime with no lag and other reason yet to be added...

My primary candidate is jbutterfly since galaxy s4 shape havent been confirm, but my friend said i better choose htc one (latest)....

So, there you have it, and good night (2am here)...

Wait for Nexus 5 or GN3 ... No idea what other phones are out right now but don't waste your money on them. I recommend Nexus 5.

[kamuixtv99]

1080P 8Bit is playable for most quad-cores, most ARMs has Hardware Acceleration but thats a hit-or-miss, and 10Bit Hardware acceleration isn't possible, even on the Desktop PC.

for phones though 10Bit is manageable, but you need at least a quad-core A9 or better to get a decent playback for 720P 10Bit.
as of this time 1080P 10Bit still isn't playable for the most part, although deadfish's encodes sometimes could playback smoothly.

edit: if you want to decode 1080P 10Bit encodes though, you might wanna look at incoming Atom Bay-trail, no i doubt the Phone Bay-trail would have enough Ghz to decode a full blown 1080P 10Bit, but the tablet Bay-trail should have enough.
if you don't understand what this is, Intel decided to launch processors to compete against the IPad, Nexus7 or Galaxy Tabs.

mine is snapdragon quad core + mx player from google play for playing 10 bit videos. galaxy s4 comes to mind, and the next note.

[Clannad_92]

Hi all...its been a while since i last accesed to bakabt because of something related to avatar...

Anyway, im planning to replace my galaxy s2...candidates; htc one (the latest), htc j butterfly, galaxy s4...
Before continuing, i choose these phone because its shape is similar to galaxy s2 (yes, the shape)...i dont like galaxy s3 shape, curvy...

Ok, im looking for storage (external+internal), ability to play 10bit 1080p anime with no lag and other reason yet to be added...

My primary candidate is jbutterfly since galaxy s4 shape havent been confirm, but my friend said i better choose htc one (latest)....

So, there you have it, and good night (2am here)...

Wait for Nexus 5 or GN3 ... No idea what other phones are out right now but don't waste your money on them. I recommend Nexus 5.

spec? and what is GN3? ahaha...
i noticed that my S2 cant play some of Coalgirls 1080p 8bit video namely Occult academy (SW), but it can play seitokai yakuindomo 1080p 8bit with no lag (HW+)...weird...

i wonder if Nexus 7 can play 10bit 1080p...hmmm...