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Is Fanservice hate nonsense?
buchno:
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 05:50:38 PM ---It is kind of hard to have fanservice when you have a film featuring about a young girl meeting a magic cat. It is like asking coffee without water.
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I don't know about you, but I would find it distracting if they featured frequent pantyshots of the young girl.
sams88:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on March 16, 2013, 05:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 05:14:44 PM ---Yes they tried to sell hot women, but was there anything else to sell ?
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Zombies, the selling point which is sold like hot cupcakes nowadays.
The execution was bad. It's not about fanservice, I am of that opinion about all elements in entertainment: action, horror, sex, thrill, atmosphere... you name it. All of those elements can be executed poorly or well. For instance the weapon autencity and the handling in HOTD was executed very well making that fat guy my favourite character in that anime, despite numerous pantyshots of pretty much every female (no homo).
As a consumer I believe we have the right to demand quality of the material, don't you think? I agree that hating fanservice entirely is silly, I just want the "service" to hold standards. However likewise I believe that people that defend fanservice even when it is presented in presented in the most retarded of ways is just as stupid.
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I get your point about them selling Zombies, but you should keep in mind that even the best Zombie franchise Walking Dead have limitations in the themes they are approaching. You have to recognize the limitations of the genre, if you want to complain about people not being faithful to it.
As for me defending fanservice and being dumb ... dude, when you what the PV of an Anime or read their Animelist entry you can know if it is going to be full of pantyshots, then don't watch it simple.
HeartVivian:
Some anime are clever about it, though it's quite obvious when you watch anime consistently, like you said, there is a lot of creative uses of the camera angles.
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I was going to put HotD on here as a discussion, however I was beaten to it. I agree with you actually sam, there isn't much depth in the story, characters, or anything note worthy that HotD did better than any of the others in the zombie genre. It simply took the overused concept of a zombie apocalypse, placed it in an anime setting, added a large amount of fanservice, obviously made it a harem, and called it a show. I wouldn't go straight to say that it is completely without some merit, though the fanservice in this case was simply too much of a distraction to enjoy any plot that the anime did have.
My biggest complaint with fanservice has to do with its overuse, an overuse to such a point that the plot isn't even a noticeable aspect of the anime anymore, it's just simply an ecchi all-round. I am not going to lie, I honestly would prefer watching anime without seeing the stereotypical boob or booty flash since I am a heterosexual female and it's annoying to me personally, though I wouldn't go as far as to condemn all anime for having fanservice. There are anime with good plots and fanservice, though they get a bad reputation because of big name fanservice anime like HotD or Highschool DxD.
An non-fanservice anime with a particularly brilliant plot? I guess it would be rather hard to say one simply because anime creators are trying to aim for a large demographic including the large majority of males who watch anime compared to the females.
Though when you say fanservice, my prototype of fanservice automatically jumps to the idea of boobs and butt, yet no one really thinks of abs (on guys) as fanservice despite the fact that it definitely is. The most obvious example that I can think of at the top of my head right now is this. Yes, it is a PV and I'm quite sure the actual anime (if there is one) will not have this much fanservice straight-out.
I saw that episode of Vividred Operation and I didn't get offended at any point by the butt flash, though it did seem out of place for the type of anime that I thought it was.
tl;dr Fanservice is fine if it's done right. Too much is a big turnoff and distracts. There is a time and place for it. Fanservice is hard to avoid simply because of the large male demographic that watches anime. I don't hate it and I understand why it's there. The fanservice hate is not completely nonsense since people do have some legitimate reasons for hating fanservice anime. But all-round it's not completely, nor should it be, a instant deal-breaker for watching the anime.
sams88:
People really jump to boobs and butt when they think fanservice, yet nobody thinks about eye candy on screen and series whose Histories are so eternal it recycles its own plots just to keep the show running. Vilains don't die, fight takes forever, the plot has no resolution, because we gotta keep the fans happy !
But the abs thing I didn't know it was a thing, I guess it is a proof that someone is trying to cater to the female demographic ... or maybe the non-female male demographic with that taste, and that is fine as long as it is the branding around it. :laugh:
You are also right about fanservice being overused or missuses, which is more a problem of lack of talent than excessive sexual, you gotta be really lame to make sexiness boring. Sometimes the problem is that there is no plot but just excuses to get airtime and spam it with pantyshots. There I completely agree that it is dumb because it shows a total lack of effort in writing a compelling story, plus we already got Echi and Hentai for that.
As for HoTD I agree that the Zombie themes are pretty much played out, I am a fan of Starship Troopers and would love to see more movies of it, but I understand the limitations of the universe. So can only go so far with a story about marines shooting spacebugs.
--- Quote from: HeartVivian on March 16, 2013, 06:02:13 PM ---Some anime are clever about it, though it's quite obvious when you watch anime consistently, like you said, there is a lot of creative uses of the camera angles.
(click to show/hide)
I was going to put HotD on here as a discussion, however I was beaten to it. I agree with you actually sam, there isn't much depth in the story, characters, or anything note worthy that HotD did better than any of the others in the zombie genre. It simply took the overused concept of a zombie apocalypse, placed it in an anime setting, added a large amount of fanservice, obviously made it a harem, and called it a show. I wouldn't go straight to say that it is completely without some merit, though the fanservice in this case was simply too much of a distraction to enjoy any plot that the anime did have.
My biggest complaint with fanservice has to do with its overuse, an overuse to such a point that the plot isn't even a noticeable aspect of the anime anymore, it's just simply an ecchi all-round. I am not going to lie, I honestly would prefer watching anime without seeing the stereotypical boob or booty flash since I am a heterosexual female and it's annoying to me personally, though I wouldn't go as far as to condemn all anime for having fanservice. There are anime with good plots and fanservice, though they get a bad reputation because of big name fanservice anime like HotD or Highschool DxD.
An non-fanservice anime with a particularly brilliant plot? I guess it would be rather hard to say one simply because anime creators are trying to aim for a large demographic including the large majority of males who watch anime compared to the females.
Though when you say fanservice, my prototype of fanservice automatically jumps to the idea of boobs and butt, yet no one really thinks of abs (on guys) as fanservice despite the fact that it definitely is. The most obvious example that I can think of at the top of my head right now is this. Yes, it is a PV and I'm quite sure the actual anime (if there is one) will not have this much fanservice straight-out.
I saw that episode of Vividred Operation and I didn't get offended at any point by the butt flash, though it did seem out of place for the type of anime that I thought it was.
tl;dr Fanservice is fine if it's done right. Too much is a big turnoff and distracts. There is a time and place for it. Fanservice is hard to avoid simply because of the large male demographic that watches anime. I don't hate it and I understand why it's there. The fanservice hate is not completely nonsense since people do have some legitimate reasons for hating fanservice anime. But all-round it's not completely, nor should it be, a instant deal-breaker for watching the anime.
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AceHigh:
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 06:00:35 PM ---As for me defending fanservice and being dumb ... dude, when you what the PV of an Anime or read their Animelist entry you can know if it is going to be full of pantyshots, then don't watch it simple.
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Learn to read, I said defending all fanservice just like condemning it all is stupid. Those both are two extremes, it's not black and white, some fanservice is good and some is bad. Yes, it is stupid to jump one bandwagon or another.
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