Is Fanservice hate nonsense?

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[Morridine]

I don't mind fanservice at all and im not a male. I don't like ecchi genre though, because it tends to drive away from the story only to insert specific scenes, but thats okay since its ecchi right? But fanservice usually, within just about any series, i dont mind at all. Panty shots, big boobs, i don't find them distracting in any way. I wonder why that is, considering a lot of people seem to be bothered. In fact i kinda like them and i feel more confortable in watching shows that don't try to cover anything just for the sake of covering. Like when some skirt wearing female bends and the skirt's getting suddenly longer just to cover her butt. I rather feel bothered by THAT.

However, the fanservice hate is bullcrap since a lot of people lately are just using fanservice as a pretext in argumentation that a show is bad. In fact, i don't think it has anything to do with a show being good or bad, no matter how shameless the fanservice is.

[brunoais]

In fact i kinda like them and i feel more confortable in watching shows that don't try to cover anything just for the sake of covering. Like when some skirt wearing female bends and the skirt's getting suddenly longer just to cover her butt. I rather feel bothered by THAT.

Yeah, failures to physics like that bother me way more than it just showing how it would be in real life.

[HeartVivian]

I don't mind fanservice at all and im not a male. I don't like ecchi genre though, because it tends to drive away from the story only to insert specific scenes, but thats okay since its ecchi right? But fanservice usually, within just about any series, i dont mind at all. Panty shots, big boobs, i don't find them distracting in any way. I wonder why that is, considering a lot of people seem to be bothered. In fact i kinda like them and i feel more confortable in watching shows that don't try to cover anything just for the sake of covering. Like when some skirt wearing female bends and the skirt's getting suddenly longer just to cover her butt. I rather feel bothered by THAT.

However, the fanservice hate is bullcrap since a lot of people lately are just using fanservice as a pretext in argumentation that a show is bad. In fact, i don't think it has anything to do with a show being good or bad, no matter how shameless the fanservice is.

I am bothered by inconsistency as well however I don't think fanservice hate is completely BS since if its supported by other reasons why the series is garbage, then it is a legitimate claim.   

[Nikkoru]

It's legitimate to criticize an anime for anything they choose to put on the screen. Intelligent criticism should weigh various factors when drawing its perspective, 

If fan-service is, as tropes and idioms defines it --

"Gratuitous display of characters in skimpy clothing, or none at all, under the assumption that it will attract or "reward" viewers." A work in which sexual content is not expected, but is thrown in just for the sake of having it. I actually don't mind ecchi anime, since they and the audience know what they're getting into from the beginning it's not really fan-service - if they make money off of it then so be it.

Does fanservice ruin a work? No. As I said, you have to look at the whole work. Does it improve a work? No. It reduces my interest in the story and pulls me out of the experience. I can't take something seriously when it's trying to pander to a demographic rather than progress the plot or develop the characters and setting.

Another point, a bad anime can still be entertaining, particularly when you're in the mood. I enjoyed Dog Days for instance, and it's shit.

[megido-rev.M]

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Does ___ ruin a work? No. As I said, you have to look at the whole work. Does it improve a work? No. It reduces my interest in the story and pulls me out of the experience.

A: a filler

[pingryanime]

Well, like fanservice, if it's done sparingly, I think it's fine since it gives the viewer a chance to just get to know the character. Call it "light character development" if you will. Granted, it also depends on how the execute the filler as well. coughbleachcough.

[sams88]

I actually don't mind that. I mind this

I have a question for you : Do you mind because you like the story and the fanservice ruins it for you or do you mind because of the overload pantyshoot /sexual content.

I don't remember watching that many panties in one frame ever ... just for the record

I got Special Agent Aika yesterday taking advantage of my ratio ... dude 24 SECONDS in the show we get a up-skirt pantsu shot

[brunoais]

When you are going to watch aika it is supposed to have loads and loads of nonsensical fanservice. The show is fanservice, so there's no way it can be something that takes away from the show.

[Showdown]

I'll pick the first panty from the right, second row, ty.

[ConsiderPhlebas]

I got Special Agent Aika yesterday taking advantage of my ratio ... dude 24 SECONDS in the show we get a up-skirt pantsu shot

It's a drag when it takes so long to get to the point; I know how you feel...

[sams88]

I got Special Agent Aika yesterday taking advantage of my ratio ... dude 24 SECONDS in the show we get a up-skirt pantsu shot

It's a drag when it takes so long to get to the point; I know how you feel...

As a fan of Ben-To's Sato "Hentai-Sama" ... I take this as an honor 

[Xycolian2332]

I can take fan service in small doses, and if it doesn't seem forced.

If there's a lot of random pointless fanservice, it disrupts my immersion because all I can think is that the people who made the show are sellout whores pandering to the lowest common denominator for the sake of a quick buck.

The thing I hate most is when they throw in some obnoxious, exaggerated boob jiggles for no reason. I roll my eyes and say "Really..?" in my head every single time.

[QuickSilvyr]

wat? no "massive boing"? I can understand that.

"pin pon" is alot more fun. 

[brunoais]

The thing I hate most is when they throw in some obnoxious, exaggerated boob jiggles for no reason. I roll my eyes and say "Really..?" in my head every single time.

Fanservice abuse like that is bad fanservice, IMO. I share that with ya, though. O don't like super breast jiggle powers like too many ecchi shows have in the last years (specially one studio that even puts a "boing").

[sams88]

When you are going to watch aika it is supposed to have loads and loads of nonsensical fanservice. The show is fanservice, so there's no way it can be something that takes away from the show.

It didn't take away from it, it was really enjoyable and I got some lol from watching how the Anime maximize the number of panty shots per scenes

[brunoais]

When you are going to watch aika it is supposed to have loads and loads of nonsensical fanservice. The show is fanservice, so there's no way it can be something that takes away from the show.

It didn't take away from it, it was really enjoyable and I got some lol from watching how the Anime maximize the number of panty shots per scenes

Yeah, it was... *cheers*
Anyway. Is there any more ideas why does the fanservice hate still exists and is still fought "to the death"?

[kyanwan]

Note that I am talking about when it is irrelevant to the plot, or executed in a lackluster manner. The nude scene in Paprika, for example, isn't distracting, since it wasn't added to please horny boys in their early puberty.

If people want to watch porn, they can watch porn.

If it's tastefully done, not overkill, and just there just to be there.   

It can easily ruin an otherwise decent series in my books. 

[*I've been reading manga for the past ... forever ... instead of watching - I can't think of a good example - this one is OT from one of the few things I do watch:

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I'm sure we all know about Game of Thrones / which is a great example of overboard, distracting, and unnecessary nudity.  It takes away from an otherwise great story.

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Who could hate it though, I'd say it's more of an annoyance or distraction when overused & gratuitous. 

[abc cuz]

i think my opinion is pretty much like everyone elses, FS just needs to be used in the right quantities.
a good example is to-love ru. First season was alright, it was hard FS with some plot and comedy. But then they just took it too far with to-love ru darkness. too many borderline sex scenes made them not even able to finish an incredibly basic storyline in the length of the series, and so now we have to wait for another season (if it is going to come). i don't mind FS but taking it too far like in darkness completely kills the anime, if they even took out maybe half the momo x rito scenes they could have had another episode to finish the plot.
still gonna watch BR's of it though because those rays of light were killer.

[Ixarku]

I'm not a fan of fan service.  Cartoon boobs don't do it for me and if I want to see nudity there are better options.  As long as fan service isn't gratuitous, I can generally ignore it, but if I notice it more than a couple of times in an episode, it's probably going to annoy me.  When I watch anime, I watch it for the characters, the story, the art, the music, and the immersion in something Japanese, so gratuitous panty shots or whatever is generally going to distract from my enjoyment of the former.
 
There are times when fan service isn't a big deal or even when it can enhance a story - particularly in comedies.  I grew up during the golden age of teenage sex comedies in the U.S., aka the 1980s, so comedy and sex are forever intertwined in my mind.  So it especially irritates me when it pops up in dramatic shows.  Fan service, like any other trope, should only be used if it's integral to the storytelling.  A comedy about a dope who always ends up in compromising positions with his friend's sister is one example where it can be appropriate.  A non-hentai dramatic show about heroes piloting giant robots to battle an invasion of extra-dimensional demons is an example where fan service is out of place.  A really heavy dramatic show where the main character is dying of a terminal disease and his friends and family struggle to come to terms with his impending death is an example of show where I want to bludgeon the creators every time I see a panty shot.
 
One thing I've noticed about anime is that creators really like to blur the lines between genres, to mix and match tropes and try unusual things, often ending up with the creation of new tropes.  This is probably the single greatest and most entertaining creative aspect of anime.  The downside is that sometimes it doesn't work well, and creators will overuse certain tropes because they're popular, rather than giving consideration to the actual merits of using a particular device in a particular context.  Fan service is one of those things that I think has fallen into the "overused" bucket.  It's a shame, and I blame the fans for it.  Just because I like hamburger doesn't mean I want to eat it at every meal day after day.