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Is Fanservice hate nonsense?

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LillyTown:
Cmon, I think it's obvious.... If you 'hate' a series for it's fanservice, then I guess you should quit watching it. Could some shows be 'better' with less fanservice? Sure but then they wouldn't be the same show(that's simple logic, if you change something it's no longer the same, don't even try to argue it) Obviously, I'm arguing from a painfully logical viewpoint here, read on for a more mature and meaningful response....

I enjoy the fanservice in some shows, especially pantyshots of tiny little girls. I like lolis, girls like Shana... better yet, Shana-tan. Yeah, I'm *real* damn creepy and I'm proud of it. I feel it's best used in shows where the art is professional looking and kept to a few brief moments in a typical episode. That way it doesn't seem like it was made *just* for the sexual imagery and it remains an occasional 'treat'. In 'Railgun' you get a glimpse of panties fairly often but it's momentary and obviously a quality show. The art is also nice, wonky looking fanservice is just bad.

Girls with almost-SD loli proportions just don't exist. I have a feeling someone would argue 'dwarfs' as being somewhat similarly proportioned. If this is you, get your eyes checked. You could also argue that risque imagery should be left to actual hentai but every time I try to find hentai that I like the girls are proportioned completely differently, usually more realistically and mundane. Further, the animation *tends* to be poor in comparison.

I really don't see  how fanservice is hurting anyone, I feel like a lot of people are butthurt that a show didn't live up to their hopes and dreams and need a target for their anger. I think these people will have to learn some day that the world doesn't revolve around them and 'X show' wasn't made *just* for them. If you don't like the writing(or maybe it is the fanservice that they hate....), move on and find something that you do enjoy. If it's a popular show that is receiving the hate it's even more clear that the 'haters' are morons because it doesn't matter that they dislike the show. It's fulfilling it's goal of turning a buck and if 'Joe Bob of Texas' doesn't like it that's too fuckin' bad. He should watch something else instead of bitching about 'X show' not being suited to his taste.

Well, I think I said the same thing like 9 different ways and still didn't cover everything I wanted to but there should be some good points in there somewhere.

SlightlyMad:
Hmm Like I said above subtlety is often the key. Thing is people don't just bring up sex or make erotic poses in the middle of doing something serious at least not often. To many this breaks thair immersion and believability. Sex isn't anything to be ashamed of. But neither are apples. And let's now go to an alternate universe where applies are kinda taboo and everyone loves to see them in a totally wrong way. You're watching some cool fighting scene and all of a sudden apples start raining down from the sky. Pretty distracting and inappropriate even if not entirely unwelcome. That's bad fan-service. And apple dropping of a tree while a young couple hold hands under it. Causing them to blush. THAT'S good fan-service. Like everything else it's all about context and implementation. But yeah I totally agree that people usually over react. They think that somehow the fan-service replaced something good. What they refuse to acknowledge is that if a show is filling itself up with inappropriate fan-service they where totally running out of ideas anyway. Still this is where I feel the problem lies. I feel the Anime industry is trying to make too much. It should produce fewer shows but better.

LillyTown:
I felt your examples were poor. Why is it ok to put fanservice of X character while Y and Z are sharing a romantic moment but not during an action scene? Further, I find it more believable in a situation like this: Schoolgirl Y is fighting the monster of the week and jumps out of the way to dodge his hammer of death attack. The camera pans and zooms and we catch a decent glimpse of her panties or cleavage. That's more believable to me than modesty shorts and magical skirts that never reveal anything.

Why is a show filled with 'inappropriate'(in your opinion) fanservice a bad thing? What leads you to believe that they were 'running out of good ideas'? I disagree but I don't mean to argue, I'm curious as to the rationale behind this.

Your final point disregards that money isn't only necessary to survive, it's desirable and if someone can make *more* instead of *less* they will. I feel that some shows are produced out of love/passion(doing it for the art according to TVtropes) and of course all things to some degree. Still, it costs a great deal to produce a TV anime and fanservice is well liked and helps ensure sells.

Further, maybe it's just a creative choice or meant to add to the cuteness? I like cute things and if I were a great artist, I'd produce the cutest art possible. Not to increase sells, because it's beautiful. I think this can apply to even the more 'mature', sexualized fan-service. Perhaps the director just thinks large bouncy breasts are beautiful? If I were directing an anime and had access to a team of top-notch animators, you can bet I'd want some fanservice in there.

I think a lot of younger fans think that lots of fanservice=poor quality/'no plot'. It's like they just want something to be bad, someone to hate and good reason to do so. Plenty of people 'hate' on shows that don't feature fanservice in the same sense but lots of 'moe' characters. I like a lot of those shows and am always confused by the 'no plot' argument. I'm not sure that's even possible but with the massive budgets these shows have I'm sure these 'haters' couldn't do better with all the time in the world. More so, I think these are mostly younger fans that need a very clear, concise story with constant plot advancement... something like:

Johnny the Butcher broke out of intergalactic prison and stole a mining ship>now he's headed to Earth>he just arrived and plans to terrorize the city of Japan>Super-Demon Man sensed Johnny's lifeforce and is flash-stepping to Tokyo>Super-Demon Man and Johnny exchange words of superiority>Johnny produces a massive cleaver from thin air and charges toward Super-Demon Man>Super-Demon Man flash-steps behind him>Johnny gives a wild reaction face>Super-Demon Man grins with a twinkle in his eye....

But don't you dare release a show with cute girls that goes something like this:

Konata and the rest of the cute track team crouch at the starting line>a starter pistol is fired>they dash off the line evenly>20M out Konata starts to take the lead>flashy background as Konata takes more and more of a lead>Konata wins the race and walks over to Tsukasa>Konata wipes the sweat from her face> Konata and her 3 friends are sitting around a lunch table at school>

Hmmm.... How is fighting an intergalactic criminal any more of a plot than school activities? Maybe more exciting for young boys that need lots of explosions and loud noises to entertain them but definitely not more of or a better plot. In fact, you can't have *more* or *less* of a plot that I'm aware of.

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