Is Fanservice hate nonsense?

[AceHigh]

Imagine if the majority of porn out there would have some horror flick element that would instantly kill your boner right before you came. Then some people would complain that it's stupid to complain about it. 

[jaybug]

In my English novel class this term, many of the women in class were all rather freaked out by a Jane Austen novel having a male character admit that he has been noticing a female character since she was 13. He was in his twenties at the time. The women in class who had problems with that would be the ones who have problems with fanservice. They all thought the make character to be a pedophile. Sure and it didn't help his cause that he and the female character ended up married.

Fanservice in a Jane Austen novel, how novel.

The question should be more of is it moral, because we all know that it is legal, that's in large part why the creators of anime do so much more fanservice, to piss off the censors. If we can't do nudity, we'll show you young girls asses instead. Take that Mr. Prude.

Personally, I prefer girls to have women's butts, not little boy's butts.

[revo]

>Is Fanservice hate nonsense?
No

I avoid anime with fanservice

[newy]

What did I read in a certain manga-making manga, "You add (sexual) fanservice when the writing is poor."

[revo]

Yep and that is my view on it

[sams88]

What did I read in a certain manga-making manga, "You add (sexual) fanservice when the writing is poor."

Even a Monkey can draw Manga ... a classic 

Yes sometimes the sexual content is added when the writing is poor, but people complain even when the Fanservice is part of the Manga concept itself and when it is branded has having FS from the beginning.

Lets take the example of "Samurai Girls", in which the fanservice is part of the concept its, hint SAMURAI GIRLS short miniskirts and 70% female cast, and integrated into the Comedy. But people automatically stamp it as trash because of it, while all the plot critical plot important moments DON't feature any sexual content, except for when Muneirika kiss one of the girls to make her into a Master Samurai and it takes the whole episode.

People decide yourself, is the FS filler or distraction from the plot ?

There should be made a distinction between the two kind of fanservice.

[revo]

it depends how FS looks like and how is implemented in series

GITS vs HOTD

[sams88]

it depends how FS looks like and how is implemented in series

GITS vs HOTD

Funny that you make this comparison, when someone earlier in the thread complained about how out of nowhere there is breast scene in GITS, while HOTD is consistent from day one that the FS is part of the package.

[revo]

Well there is "out of nowhere" breast scene in Paprika too
What about Perfet Blue ? There you can see vagina (coverd with Pubic hair) and that does not bother me
because it was realistically presented in mature way

[mrdkreka]

Do you want to know something even more annoying than fanservice hater. Hater of fanservice/dub hater. I'm with aceHigh, you can do fanservice well, where you actually try to do something with it, or you can do it poorly just because your show is crap, and you want to try hiding that fact

In fact I think that fan service hate is actually an "Armchair Elitism", coming from a demographic that has probably the most porn in the planet, and TB worth of tentacle videos.

really? Sigh

it depends how FS looks like and how is implemented in series

GITS vs HOTD

Funny that you make this comparison, when someone earlier in the thread complained about how out of nowhere there is breast scene in GITS, while HOTD is consistent from day one that the FS is part of the package.

Ever heard about context? I don't really care about FS in HOTD, since it is a terrible show even without FS.

[sams88]

it depends how FS looks like and how is implemented in series

GITS vs HOTD

Funny that you make this comparison, when someone earlier in the thread complained about how out of nowhere there is breast scene in GITS, while HOTD is consistent from day one that the FS is part of the package.

Ever heard about context? I don't really care about FS in HOTD, since it is a terrible show even without FS.

I said earlier in the thread : Taking the FS out of HoTD is not going to make a better show.

The strength and weaknesses of HoTDhave nothing to do with FS, we agree on that the funny thing is that a lot of opposition of people to it is because of the FS even thought it is not the show problem. It suffers more of the problems of hte Zombie genre and some narrative decisions, the fanservice and fighting are one of the things that work well in the show, which is ironic since people point to FS as the culprit.

Yes you can it right or wrong, A way of doing it wrong would be if it is filler taking too much of screen time at the expense of the plot. One example is Korewa Zombie Desuka, where the second season Meta Plot was barely remembered in Episode 11 and then it was so lame that the whole second season was more of an OVA than an actual plot in that universe.

[JoonasTo]

Fanservice is a two-edged blade, Ikkitousen or HotD are supposed to be like they are, full of it and so overly done it's fucking hilarious and makes for great laughs.

Then we have the Neon Genesis Evangelion like fanservice that is there just to make for fantasies of the main female cast. It's just about as important as a sex scene in a Van Damme movie.
Do I think they make the movie/series worse? No.
Do I feel uncomfortable/annoyed/leave the room/change the channel/skip forward? Yes.

The question then remains, will the show end up getting more viewers due to having said fanservice than the fanservice alienates? If the answer is yes, they will do it.

As long as the audience for anime is the japanese male ranging from 10-30 years of age who have never seen a woman naked it will remain the way it is now.


And to make a good objective opinion, the second season of Koreha zombie desuka is the worst shit to come out of the tv industry right after walking dead season two.

[sams88]

And to make a good objective opinion, the second season of Koreha zombie desuka is the worst shit to come out of the tv industry right after walking dead season two.

I hate season two of TWD ... they made Shane into a psycho and killed him because PLOT, spend half of the screen-time about Lorry and her "feelings", and reduced the cast IQ to the level of Gerbils.

I couldn't wait for Lori to die in Season 3 and Karl to be lost in the woods, but I gave up on the franchise itself entirely, not longer interested.

But back on topic, Korewa Zombie Desuka 2 is was bad.

Fanservice is a two-edged blade, Ikkitousen or HotD are supposed to be like they are, full of it and so overly done it's fucking hilarious and makes for great laughs.

It is great when it is part of the whole concept and well done, that is for sure. Especially if the other elements of the anime are also compelling and the characters are memorable. Having brought Samurai Girls earlier one reason I like it is also because somehow the great hope of Japan Yagu Jiubei spends 95% of her time with the IQ of an adorable Gerbil and somehow transforms into a fearsome warrior with witty lines when kissed.

Making the anime absurd up to 11 can make it fun, if done right.

Then we have the Neon Genesis Evangelion like fanservice that is there just to make for fantasies of the main female cast. It's just about as important as a sex scene in a Van Damme movie.
Do I think they make the movie/series worse? No.
Do I feel uncomfortable/annoyed/leave the room/change the channel/skip forward? Yes.

The uncomfortable "who has the remote to change the channel" moment, I feel your pain and it is not good no matter the media genre. I used to avoid watching TV with my parents when I visited them to avoid those moments.

The shift of focus in Evangelion is even more obvious with the introduction of Mari, for the sole reason of selling miniatures and printed pillows.

I do like her has a character in the third movie because of her banter with Asuka, which beats the laconic nature of Rei and the retardation of Shinji, but her main role in the cast is about appealing to the male audience instincts.

Edit:

I just realized that I like the fanservice bait of Evangelion, with a screen time of a few minutes, more than 3/4 of the main cast. I hate Evangelion, it takes my love for the universe and throw it in the bin with dumb characters. 

The question then remains, will the show end up getting more viewers due to having said fanservice than the fanservice alienates? If the answer is yes, they will do it.

As long as the audience for anime is the japanese male ranging from 10-30 years of age who have never seen a woman naked it will remain the way it is now.

We can (NOT) Escape.

[xfreidax]

Taking the FS out of HotD will not make a better show. You're right because without FS, you wouldn't even have a show. 

Look this whole sex sells thing is not new. You see it in movies, television, novels, comics, games, any medium you can think of. Anything that overly relies on sex to sell is generally rubbish. And we accept such entertainment as rubbish and a kind of guilty pleasure. Some people will dislike such entertainment though and there is nothing wrong with that. It's simply a matter of taste.

The fanservice you see in anime, a medium mostly targeted at Japanese teens, is nothing but porn for the underage.

[sams88]

Taking the FS out of HotD will not make a better show. You're right because without FS, you wouldn't even have a show. 

Look this whole sex sells thing is not new. You see it in movies, television, novels, comics, games, any medium you can think of. Anything that overly relies on sex to sell is generally rubbish. And we accept such entertainment as rubbish and a kind of guilty pleasure. Some people will dislike such entertainment though and there is nothing wrong with that. It's simply a matter of taste.

The fanservice you see in anime, a medium mostly targeted at Japanese teens, is nothing but porn for the underage.

So if it a medium targeted at Japanese teens then why are WE watching ? What is the median age of the Otaku Demographic, or are we just children that refuse to grow ?

[Saras]

My main problem is that I don't want to be associated with

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The hobby is widely associated with manchildren throughout the world. And fan service a la highschool of the dead isn't helping that.

I'm not a prude, I don't mind it all. I keep coming back to the same examples, but whatever. Take a look at spice and wolf, Horo is basically seen nude every other episode if not every episode for extended periods of time.  Hell, both the ghost in the shell movies open with a gynoid being created from it's spinal cord up to Eve in all of her glory. Still, neither makes me feel like the show is insulting me for having a dick, nor does it make me feel like changing the channel. Now that, that's good.

Having said that, I don't mind it too much in shows where half of the intention is to give boners and little else, just how American summer blockbusters are designed to do that with explosions. I mind it, when it seeps into the genres where it shouldn't be and is done so in poor taste. Think Rurouni Kenshin: Trust and Betrayal. Would you really look back at those four episodes in the same manner as you do now, if it was done the same fashion as Ikkitousen?

Is it an insecurity issue? Probably. Doesn't stop me from making me despise it. The prevalence of the ass/panty/tit cam throghout the vast majority of this form of media, basically solidifies my position as a "closet otaku".

[sams88]

My main problem is that I don't want to be associated with

(click to show/hide)

The hobby is widely associated with manchildren throughout the world. And fan service a la highschool of the dead isn't helping that.

Is it an insecurity issue? Probably. Doesn't stop me from making me despise it. The prevalence of the ass/panty/tit cam throghout the vast majority of this form of media, basically solidifies my position as a "closet otaku".

I can't argue with this point ... I don't mind the FS if I am being entertained in the process, but being tagged as a weirdo is not really a price I am willing to pay.

As for being entertained it depends on what you like subjectively and what interests you in general, something which depends on what are your personal interests since as someone who likes guns and shooting I found Upotte awesome and didn't mind the FS most of the time, but without that interest in the subject of guns I understand why other people are not interested in the series and only see the FS. GuP follows gives me the same enjoyment for being about tanks, but maybe works better because the premise is much bigger than "girls are guns", and has better characters.

Now please excuse me I need to clean my closet and hide my DVDs. 

[BronBron06]

Why the hate, people should like be grateful for the fan-service cause it's keeping the industry alive

APPRECIATE.... DONT HATE 

We wont get an abundance of entertainment anime / manga products without this

[Volusus]

Personally I don't mind fanservice, and will still watch a decent animu with fanservice present. Everyone watches anime for different reasons, and if one of those reasons is fanservice then so be it. However, I won't peruse animes and look for fanservice specifically, just as I won't really look for animes with a specific art or animation style. I'm more partial to stuff like fanservice when it's used in comedic animes, otherwise I prefer a more mature approach to sexuality/nudity etc.

[Fool010]

I see fanservice to be roughly comparable to alcohol consumption, it's a matter of context and quantity.

I don't mind fanservice as long as it makes sense storywise.