Is Fanservice hate nonsense?

[gits]

Fanservice is similar to drug, in small doses it can help however if you add it only for its sake it's deadly 
I like fanservice in animes like Spice and Wolf or Rosario to Vampire because the anime isn't composed solely of it.

So personally i don't hate fanservice nor i would like to get rid of it, good author must find balance between story and fanservice.

[HeartVivian]

Haha. Because of this thread, while I am re-watching some old series, I am noticing more fanservice than I noticed before. Not too much of a shocker, but now that I am keenly aware, it seems to be more obvious.

[sackii]

I guess it depends on what kind of relationship you have with anime. Some people enjoy anime because they see things they'd never see elsewhere, or because they look forward to that kind of thing. I found Strike Witches pretty annoying with those underage panty shots. Though I can't say that I didn't like the story so I watched it til the end. Chu-Bra disgusted me so I stopped watching it (but maybe that wasn't really fanservice because that's what the show was...). I don't mind fanservice, sometimes I might even enjoy it, but it's unnecessary to get my attention... Although it might not be the same for everyone. It's subjective and as long as you understand why those panty shots are on the show you like for other reasons, it's easy not to get mad.

On the fanservice haters topic, this whole thing is pointless imo, like a sword strike in water. The same way you'll almost never obtain a clear, reasoned and legit answer why Bieber haters loathe him and broadcast that hate every chance they have without having listened to his albums or followed him around. I thought he did a good job in SNL and have nothing against the guy, but I did skip through his performance because I think his music sucks.

That behavior is something we pretty much all went through growing up, not necessarily on music exclusively. Some people keep it, others let it go. Self-inducted social pressure of hating what other people love isn't anything new.

[donald1]

[Hadouken]

I'd rather watch softcore porn.
I try to avoid anime with needless amounts of ecchi fanservice. Complaining about people hating on fanservice is just as annoying if not more.

[sams88]

I'd rather watch softcore porn.
I try to avoid anime with needless amounts of ecchi fanservice. Complaining about people hating on fanservice is just as annoying if not more.

Sorry for being annoying, it just annoying that every single review, podcast and youtube video on hearth doesn't inform me on the plot or quality of the Anime and just it trash for being "FS".

[brunoais]

I had a tl;dr here even though I read many of the posts (including the 1st post).

What I think is that anime that contains fan service can be considered in 3 groups.
Warning: This is my opinion. It may or may not correspond to reality.

• (about 85%)Ecchi everywhere. The plot is made for ecchi, screw everything else. Camera is forced to positions where ecchi is the main focus and the whole premise is clear right from the synopsis, the categories and from the first 5 (or so) minutes. This is an Ecchi show, period(!).
  Good examples: To-love-ru (specially the latest seasons), KissXSis (specially the Manga/OVA).
• (about 15%)The plot makes sense, the ecchi is not forced, it's part of the way it works and all the development makes sense if it were to happen in real life (if it contains fantasy/sci-fi). These shows usually are not "packed" with ecchi but it just keeps reminding us that it is an ecchi show. These ones are a bit tricky because they can easily derail into the 3rd one.
  Good examples: Chokotto sister, B Gata H Kei
• (about 10%)WTF?!?! This story was so good but then they start throwing panty shots or moves out of nowhere?!?! Well... These are those shows that are ruined by the fanservice. I got soo p*ssed off that I don't remember any example. Just think like Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica but they would start throwing fan service at episode 10. Hard to believe? Well, there are studios that dare to do it, for some reason, and wham! Show destroyed by the fan service. Bye bye.

Note: Those % are not wrong, it's just that these groups overlap each other a bit.
It's for the 1st that I love some fan service and like fan service (depends on the show). It's for the 2nd one I just LOOOOOOOVE fan service and it's for the 3rd one I HAAAAAAATTTEEEEE fan service.

I still remember how natural the ecchi went on B Gata H Kei. It developed into a romance all the way that an ecchi show is allowed to show... IMO, the manga developed better than the anime, but both were really good and an example of how to use nudity and ecchi for a nice story.

[sams88]

I had a tl;dr here even though I read many of the posts (including the 1st post).

What I think is that anime that contains fan service can be considered in 3 groups.
Warning: This is my opinion. It may or may not correspond to reality.

• (about 85%)Ecchi everywhere. The plot is made for ecchi, screw everything else. Camera is forced to positions where ecchi is the main focus and the whole premise is clear right from the synopsis, the categories and form the first 5 (or so) minutes. This is an Ecchi show, period(!).
  Good examples: To-love-ru (specially the latest seasons), KissXSis (specially the Manga/OVA).
• (about 15%)The plot makes sense, the ecchi is not forced, it's part of the way it works and all the development makes sense if it were to happen in real life (if it contains fantasy/sci-fi). These shows usually are not "packed" with ecchi but it just keeps reminding us that it is an ecchi show. These ones are a bit tricky because they can easily derail into the 3rd one.
  Good examples: Chokotto sister, B Gata H Kei
• (about 10%)WTF?!?! This story was so good but then they start throwing panty shots or moves out of nowhere?!?! Well... These are those shows that are ruined by the fanservice. I got soo p*ssed off that I don't remember any example. Just think like Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica but they would start throwing fan service at episode 10. Hard to believe? Well, there are studios that dare to do it, for some reason, and wham! Show destroyed by the fan service. Bye bye.

Note: Those % are not wrong, it's just that these groups overlap each other a bit.
It's for the 1st that I love some fan service and like fan service (depends on the show). It's for the 2nd one I just LOOOOOOOVE fan service and it's for the 3rd one I HAAAAAAATTTEEEEE fan service.

I still remember how natural the ecchi went on B Gata H Kei. It developed into a romance all the way that an ecchi show is allowed to show... IMO, the manga developed better than the anime, but both were really good and an example of how to use nudity and ecchi for a nice story.

Your classification make sense, and it matches what I was thinking about FS, you put more clearly than I could.

I enjoy the 2nd type of FS when it is a compelling concept or story, and don't like the 3rd type because it is just random.

[brunoais]

I think ecchi haters are mostly ppl who started watching anime that fall into the 3rd one because it sounded like a good story and there was no warning that it would be an ecchi show, it only sounded like it would contain very low ecchi like skimpy cloths (the level of parent service, mostly).
And because they don't like ecchi, they didn't even try to experience the other two, so they become ecchi haters because ecchi just ruined the shows they liked.

[QuickSilvyr]

Amusing topic actually if you look at the art of fanservice. I'll just say Agent Aika pantsu counter.


Don't take everything that is meant to be entertaining so fucking serious. Watch it, enjoy it, collect it. If you don't enjoy it then don't collect it. Forget it. It's not like you bought the BR disks. Make up your own fucking mind instead of mainstreaming your thoughts.
If you like it, like it.
Fuck the rest.
It's you who watches it. Not 10000 other ppl who post their thoughts or did they already map your mind?

[megido-rev.M]

Yes.
Also, hate is often nonsensical.

[jaybug]

I think Bruno is about spot on. That 3rd category is a killer. Why? Or what's worse, why is she so young, and we are looking up her skirt? But that would be before the new censorship law was put in.

[Fool010]

It's pretty obvious that complaining about fanservice in ecchi shows makes no sense at all. You won't be watching those shows without knowing what's coming to you i.e lame juvenile repetitive jokes, situational humor and borderline non-existent storyline.
Don't like it, don't watch it.

There's nothing wrong with occasional nudity and mild fanservice when it fits the context. As long as it doesn't feel forced and inadequate, it shouldn't detract from the story.

The 3rd category mentioned by brunoais brings up the most important part when it comes to fanservice, namely individual tolerance. That's what I believe to be the core of the matter, some will be able to overlook the occasional fanservice, while others won't.

But in the end, doesn't fiction mirror real life in some way ? Cleavage, camel toes, occasional panty shots and nudity exist there, would should they not in fiction ?

[sams88]

It's pretty obvious that complaining about fanservice in ecchi shows makes no sense at all. You won't be watching those shows without knowing what's coming to you i.e lame juvenile repetitive jokes, situational humor and borderline non-existent storyline.
Don't like it, don't watch it.

The funniest thing is that they complain as if the Echhi show stories would somehow be more interesting without the fanservice.

"Fanservice distract me" ... dude, you are watching an Ecchi show that doesn't take itself seriously, there is nothing for you to be distracted from to begin with.

[AceHigh]

Even ecchi shows would benefit from not having bad fanservice. Flabby tits, cheap camera angles, annoying and overused awkward moments to name a few. Good fanservice is what I am OK with.

There is too much focus if it should be or should be instead of the quality it should have.

[Xycolian2332]

My opinion is that shows centered around fanservice will always be one step lower than any show that takes itself seriously.

Some shows can remain serious because they somehow manage to pull the fanservice off tastefully. Redline is the first example that comes to my mind.

[sams88]

Even ecchi shows would benefit from not having bad fanservice. Flabby tits, cheap camera angles, annoying and overused awkward moments to name a few. Good fanservice is what I am OK with.

There is too much focus if it should be or should be instead of the quality it should have.

Good ecchi is like Porn ... you know it when you see it, or at least when you see it and don't recognize it as Hentai.

Discussing the quality of it besides the point, people ike different things for different reason, the thread would lead to nowhere and doesn't make sense. Whatever you like, and I don't want to know why you like it.

[Showdown]

Saying you like or dislike fanservice sounds off topic to me, because fanservice comes to you wether you like it or not, and that's the main problem to me ... the example of HOTD is good, because it was absolutely impossible to know the show would turn into that massive fanservice factory before you watched it. And no, the keywords did not help.

[sams88]

Saying you like or dislike fanservice sounds off topic to me, because fanservice comes to you wether you like it or not, and that's the main problem to me ... the example of HOTD is good, because it was absolutely impossible to know the show would turn into that massive fanservice factory before you watched it. And no, the keywords did not help.

Here is the PV for HoTD, it has enough Pantyshots and Gainax breast to make the viewer aware of what to expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl6cNSBg3Wg

You complaint is unfair if you didn't make the effort to screen the show

[Showdown]

Here is the PV for HoTD, it has enough Pantyshots and Gainax breast to make the viewer aware of what to expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl6cNSBg3Wg

You complaint is unfair if you didn't make the effort to screen the show

My my, you must be enjoying fanservice really hard ... seems all your reasoning relies on this PV (in japanese, i can't read it), but ok, let's see what could have "warned" me.

There is two short scenes showing panties, and these are not even what you could really call Pantyshots (showing a bit of panty is different than fanservice/pantyshots), and two others with boobs dancing around, which is kinda "soft" compared to what you're really about to see if you go further into the serie.

So first, since when a PV gives you an idea of what the show is really about ? Second, how am i supposed to know, with those couple of scenes, that the show is sooner or later going to be about girls touching their boobs, roaming around almost naked and drunk, and standing still on a car (going high speed) wearing nothing but an apron and a katana ? Third, i don't want to dig the web for anything else than basic informations about the show because i like to discover it from the scratch, which does not mean i will tolerate some boobs and panties to suddenly invade my screen for the rest of it.

But i guess this is off topic, the real subject is: sams88 loves fanservice and feels bad about it, because truth is, as someone nicely described:

Taking the FS out of HotD will not make a better show. You're right because without FS, you wouldn't even have a show. 

Look this whole sex sells thing is not new. You see it in movies, television, novels, comics, games, any medium you can think of. Anything that overly relies on sex to sell is generally rubbish. And we accept such entertainment as rubbish and a kind of guilty pleasure. Some people will dislike such entertainment though and there is nothing wrong with that. It's simply a matter of taste.

The fanservice you see in anime, a medium mostly targeted at Japanese teens, is nothing but porn for the underage.

So you come here, make this thread looks like a discussion, use some sophisms here and there, call people "asshole", "contrarian egomaniac", "unfair", "complainer" (lol!) and expect them to go "oh yea, you're right, fanservice is not good or bad, it's just about opinion !" so you can feel better and keep enjoying it.

I'm sorry but wether you like or not, fanservice is marketing. Light fanservice is light marketing, hard fanservice is hard marketing. If you like those ads on TV or in the streets, overusing boobs, ass and bitches all around, it's ok: that's 21th century for you. But if you still don't understand why many people "hate" it and keep trying to convince them it's "ok", you're doing it wrong.