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Is Fanservice hate nonsense?
sams88:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on March 16, 2013, 04:45:45 PM ---I am lazy so I will ctrl+v my earlier post on this subject:
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--- Quote from: buchno on February 19, 2013, 12:03:27 AM ---So essentially you dislike these tropes?
...wait didn't Google indirectly pull the nsfw stuff from TVTropes?
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Something like that. If someone asks me what is a well done fan service, the first thing that pops in my mind is the infamous toothbrush scene from Nisemonogatari. The best part is that scene doesn't even have half naked characters or any exposed underwear. No, they managed to take an everyday activity and turn it into something erotic, yet relating perfectly to the core of the series. That scene burned into my mind and I'll be damned if I ever forget about it.
Now a bad example: HOTD. I was really looking forward to the exploration of survival theme in this series. So every time the camera went into that specific angle to get a panty shot for no fucking reason whatsoever, it pissed me off. Actually ruined the overall experience for me, talk about forcing something in in such a clumsy way.
Basically sex is a theme to explore and I am not against that, but slapping it like some cheap fridge magnet on every possible genre out there really ruins a lot. Even the 15 year old "raging hormones" demographic should be having a bit higher standards in my opinion.
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BTW, from this thread:
http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=37563.0
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I don't know why HoTD is a good example of poor fanservice, because most of the serious takes on the Zombie genre in other formats are not that serious to begin with and mostly devolve in Gore fest. What exactly could HoTD bring something serious to the table, when The Walking Dead, Romero movies, 27 Days Later, and other Zombie movies have not brought anything much serious to the table.
Yes they tried to sell hot women, but was there anything else to sell ?
--- Quote from: dbml on March 16, 2013, 05:05:22 PM ---If fanservice fits the series, then I have no problem with it. Let's say... Strike Witches. Or Mahoromatic. It's fine there, because it's meant to be there. When I get pissed about fanservice though, is when it shows up where it doesn't belong. Code Geass is a prime example of that (with Kallen).
Also, it seems to be that the more fanservice there is, the dumber the plot will be. So I tend to avoid most fanservice series as I like watching series that have a worthwhile story. I don't hate fanservice at all, but I'd rather see it where it belongs.
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I agree that fanservice popping up in an Anime that presents itself as serious is bad, not because fanservice is bad but because it is false advertisement.
But I disagree that it makes the plot dumber, because a lot of serious anime having dumb plots and they have their own kind of fanservice with eye candy, like Naruto and Bleach.
buchno:
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 04:27:57 PM ---The rejection of Fanservice is a way to look more serious, which is nonsensical because the Anime without sexual fanservice still have the same level of plots than fanservice heavy animes, I dare anyone to give me a non-fanservice Anime that has a particularly brilliant plot.
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Would you consider any Ghibli* anime to be just as good if there was forced fan service in it?
*May substitute with any other great studio which doesn't make use of fan service.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 05:14:44 PM ---Yes they tried to sell hot women, but was there anything else to sell ?
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Zombies, the selling point which is sold like hot cupcakes nowadays.
The execution was bad. It's not about fanservice, I am of that opinion about all elements in entertainment: action, horror, sex, thrill, atmosphere... you name it. All of those elements can be executed poorly or well. For instance the weapon autencity and the handling in HOTD was executed very well making that fat guy my favourite character in that anime, despite numerous pantyshots of pretty much every female (no homo).
As a consumer I believe we have the right to demand quality of the material, don't you think? I agree that hating fanservice entirely is silly, I just want the "service" to hold standards. However likewise I believe that people that defend fanservice even when it is presented in presented in the most retarded of ways is just as stupid.
Tatsujin:
Bunch of bullshit. If you don't like fanservice, then don't watch the series. If you like it, watch it.
I don't mind fanservice at all ever since I've seen it in Girls Bravo.
sams88:
--- Quote from: buchno on March 16, 2013, 05:38:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: sams88 on March 16, 2013, 04:27:57 PM ---The rejection of Fanservice is a way to look more serious, which is nonsensical because the Anime without sexual fanservice still have the same level of plots than fanservice heavy animes, I dare anyone to give me a non-fanservice Anime that has a particularly brilliant plot.
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Would you consider any Ghibli* anime to be just as good if there was forced fan service in it?
*May substitute with any other great studio which doesn't make use of fan service.
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It is kind of hard to have fanservice when you have a film featuring about a young girl meeting a magic cat. It is like asking coffee without water.
Keep in mind I didn't say that Anime is dumb in general, but fanservice or not most anime plots are average.
a pantyshot might take some inscreen time and be annoying but it doesn't have much plot effect, while the biggest problem of Anime is characters being dumb for the sake of the plot.
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