Share ratio not working properly at all.

[MetaKite]

I've been having this problem for months but now it's much worse and this happens only with BakaBT's tracker. All of my other trackers don't have this issue. I looked through the entire wiki and nothing in it has a solution that has worked for this. I even changed my firewall client and downgraded and then upgraded uTorrent but nothing has changed. First, my upload share ratio on BBT is always off by being behind .38 % at all times since late last fall. For example, let's say I download a 1GB file and upload 1:1 ratio. BakaBT will only have recorded .620MB of that 1GB as being uploaded. That's not much of a problem until I start downloading very large files.

However, now it's much much worse.  Currently seeding Legend of the Galactic Heroes torrent that's 29.8GB large. As I downloaded it, I watched my share ratio shrink from 8.300 to 7.760 or so.  I have since uploaded 16GB of that file and been seeding/uploading more GB via other torrent files and am now only at 7.844? Another torrent, Cross Game should be at 7.47GB upload (as reported by uTorrent) but is only listed as 7.12 GB as well. What is wrong with my share ratio? It seems to have a mind of it's own.

[HeartVivian]

I feel like the inconsistency is probably due to the downtime the server undergoes on a daily basis to backup its files which occurs usually around 6 pm PST. During which, those uploading will be at a disadvantage while those downloading are at an advantage since the tracker during the downtime is not updating. It's not a major issue since it's not for a long period of time however over  long period of time the inconsistency, as you have seen, will appear in the amount uTorrent says you upload and how much BakaBT tracks.

[MetaKite]

Ah. Didn't think of that. I have noticed the survey dropping almost every night like you pointed out but thought once it went up, it would auto correct the ratios. Didn't realize it just ends up as lost data. I guess nothing can be done. Thanks.

[buchno]

Causes I can think of:
1. Seeding and quitting the client during downtime. Keeping the client up until the tracker is up again should prevent this, though.
2. Force-closing the client.
3. Something else obstructing the communication between the tracker and your client.

From what people have mentioned, about 10-20% discrepancy seems not to be too uncommon, although I don't seem to experience it.

[MetaKite]

Causes I can think of:
1. Seeding and quitting the client during downtime. Keeping the client up until the tracker is up again should prevent this, though.
2. Force-closing the client.

It's definitely not any of that. Until I tried to solve the issue, my PC has been on and seeding 24/7. I wish I could figure what could be obstructing things because my other tracks are fine.

EDIT: I'm not getting any upload credit for the Legend Of The Galactic Heroes torrent at all. 29.1 GB uploaded and no difference in what BBT says from last night. May I request a mod to manually fix my ratio?

[Freedom Kira]

May I request a mod to manually fix my ratio?

Such requests are pretty much never fulfilled. I think you can imagine why.

Kinda weird that it's only your upload credit that's not going through. Download statistics are usually affected the same way.

Before you entirely give up, why don't you try a different client temporarily and see if the issue persists?

[MetaKite]

Yeah, I'll try that. This is definitely a strange case. Now over 41.3GB uploaded for that particular torrent, and nothing changed as far as recognizing the uploads. The rest are still a bit behind in stats like i explained before but still crediting upload.

Update EDIT: Nothing is working. I'm just going to accept that BBT is broken and I'm not going to download anymore large torrent files from here. Mind you, I've had other minor problems from torrents stuck in the active window when they weren't active, to getting negative ratios for what were supposed to be freeleech artbooks but it's obvious this cannot and will never be solved. I did want to download this torrent here that's nearly 40GB but not going to bother unless it becomes a freeleech itself. My ratio is going backwards even if I'm seeding.

May I request a mod to manually fix my ratio?

Such requests are pretty much never fulfilled. I think you can imagine why.

Kinda weird that it's only your upload credit that's not going through. Download statistics are usually affected the same way.

Before you entirely give up, why don't you try a different client temporarily and see if the issue persists?

[Bozobub]

Before you go off in a sulk, why not just download that torrent in a logged-out session..?  No ratio hit at all.

[Krudda]

Not a lot of people think of this but ratio isn't  1:1 all the time

Lets say you total upload is 1GB, and download is 1GB, you have a 1 ratio. Lets say you upload 9 more GB, your ratio is now 10.

You now download /  upload exactly 1GB but your ratio is below 10. .why?
Because you have not uploaded 10x  what you downloaded, but 1/10th of a 10  ratio won the secpnd torrent, meaning a 1 ratio. From here it is simple maths to work out your TOTAL ratio would be 5.5 while your individual ratios per torrent would be 10 and 1 respectively


Your ratio has gone down, even though you were seeding a lot. Don't worry, it will never drop below 1 if you do this

[MetaKite]

I have thought about that, no question. I'm aware that my ratio will never drop below 1. I just want my ratio to stop dropping for no logical reason when seeding certain torrents no matter how much I seed whether 1X or 10X.  I I've since stopped seeding those problem torrents and will get certain things elsewhere. I'm just going to leave this as mystery.

Not a lot of people think of this but ratio isn't  1:1 all the time

Lets say you total upload is 1GB, and download is 1GB, you have a 1 ratio. Lets say you upload 9 more GB, your ratio is now 10.

You now download /  upload exactly 1GB but your ratio is below 10. .why?
Because you have not uploaded 10x  what you downloaded, but 1/10th of a 10  ratio won the second torrent, meaning a 1 ratio. From here it is simple maths to work out your TOTAL ratio would be 5.5 while your individual ratios per torrent would be 10 and 1 respectively


Your ratio has gone down, even though you were seeding a lot. Don't worry, it will never drop below 1 if you do this

[Fool010]

However, now it's much much worse.  Currently seeding Legend of the Galactic Heroes torrent that's 29.8GB large. As I downloaded it, I watched my share ratio shrink from 8.300 to 7.760 or so.  I have since uploaded 16GB of that file and been seeding/uploading more GB via other torrent files and am now only at 7.844?

You're aware that in order to get your ratio back to it's original value (8.3), you have to seed back anything you leech 8.3 times, right ?

Which means nearly 250 GB for a 30 GB torrent. The higher your ratio gets, the more you have to seed back when you download.

[Krudda]

Now that I'm on a laptop instead of a mobile phone, I will explain better.

However, now it's much much worse.  Currently seeding Legend of the Galactic Heroes torrent that's 29.8GB large. As I downloaded it, I watched my share ratio shrink from 8.300 to 7.760 or so.  I have since uploaded 16GB of that file and been seeding/uploading more GB via other torrent files and am now only at 7.844?

Torrent in question: http://bakabt.me/161010-legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-ginga-eiyuu-densetsu-dvd-ca.html

You downloaded 29.88GB, thus with a ratio of 8.300 you would have to upload 248GB (roughly) in order to keep your overall ratio at 8.3
Since you uploaded 16GB, that means your ratio would have been 0.535 for that particular torrent. What you are doing is confusing this 0.535 with your overall/total ratio which it is not, thus you cannot simply add 0.535 to 7.760 (8.295) as this is not how it works.

So to make this simpler, lets round everything off to the nearest whole number as we don't need exact figures just approximates (within a few GB). Upload (UL) stays the same (I assume you already did), Download (DL) becomes 30 and Ratio stays at 8.3

To understand what you need to upload to keep 8.3 ratio, you simply times DL amount by ratio (8.3). So lets see the math to this: DL*8.3 = 30*8.3 = 249
So as you can see, a ratio of 8.3 requires you to upload (approximately) 249GB on this single torrent.
If you upload 30GB you have kept a 1 ratio which means you need to divide 249 by 8.3 like so: 249/8.3 = 30 thus a 1 ratio.

To figure out what this means for your ratio, take needed upload amount, divide by DL size and you get 249/30=8.3 then divide that by UL (16) = 0.518 then again, divide by 8.3 once more to get your final total of 0.0625 which you can now add to 7.760 to get your new ratio after you uploaded 16GB and you should have 7.8825. Oh hello, isn't this number close to what you said you were at? Its different because I rounded the numbers off, but if you use the correct figures, you would get the correct result.

am now only at 7.844

In summary, the mathematical formula I just explained is as such:
Legend: DL=DownLoad, R=Ratio, UL=UpLoad, *=Times, /=Divide

((((DL*R)/DL)/UL)/R)+Ratio After Download (Obviously before you DL the torrent) = your new ratio

Edit: If you do not understand how to equate that with all the () in it, I'll break it down:
Legend: Same as above but also S=Sum (of equation)

DL*R=S1
S1/DL=S2
S2/UL=S3
S3/R=S4
S4+Ratio After Downloading = your new ratio

Hope this helps.

[Bozobub]

Oh, my, very well explained, Krudda.  Kudos!

[buchno]

Maybe ratio theory should be added to the wiki to help people having problems understanding it.

[MetaKite]

Thank you, Krudda, but you (and everyone else it seems) completely ignored what what I was saying in the last couple posts. The ratio was still plummeting no matter how much was seeding. Even if that one torrent was seeded 8.3X it's download, it just wasn't registering. The ratio just kept dropping and only for that specific torrent. It became clear to me when I suspended the other torrents for a night and a day to isolate it, did it prove to drop no matter the amount seeding wouldn't change the ratio consistently dropping.

I mentioned it in my post dated March 22, 2013, 03:04:49 PM. As I said, it didn't matter if it was going to seed 10X, it just kept dropping. I didn't notice that the first when I made this thread but came to figure it out as I started working through different solutions and then stopping all other traffic I was seeding. I guess I wasn't clear after your first reply, Krudda. What I'm fretting over is if this would repeat with that 40GB torrent or it was a 1 time glitch with that specific 28.9GB torrent. I do appreciate the math behind it you posted. (It helps make clear the process for why seeding a not downloaded torrent can show ratios in the hundreds when you haven't seeded all that much).

Nicely explained ratio math.
Hope this helps.

[Krudda]

Sorry about this, but that was previously answered is why I ignored it, the reason for that is the unusually high amount of time the tracker has spent offline lately. Nothing more, nothing less.

[DeadlyOats]

Is that a problem they're working on?  I see that on individual files, I'm losing uploaded MB and GB too.  My reported ratio in Baka is less than what my client reports (Transmission).  This is a relatively new problem (or I just started to notice it).  To get my 2.1 ratio for each file, on Baka, I've been having to set my client to 2.5 or 2.8.  That's a lot of lost uploading credit.  This wasn't a problem before.  What's changed that started this problem, and is someone trying to fix it?

[Bozobub]

The regular downtime for the tracker/forum (same time every night), AFAIK, is relatively new, and the root cause.

[Freedom Kira]

No, it's not, as has been repeatedly explained in other threads. If you try to connect to the tracker while it's down, it will keep trying until it works and send the latest updates then. However, if you happen to shut down during the retry process, there's a chance you will lose something there.

I also doubt that it's "relatively new" because the downtime is for a site backup.

Anyway, discrepancies anywhere up to 40% in extreme cases have been reported. They've all been met with the same response, which is basically "shit happens, deal with it." Intuitively, one would expect that download statistics would be affected the same way, but strangely enough, this doesn't seem to be the case most of the time.

Long story short, don't expect a manual ratio fix or the problem to magically disappear anytime soon. The problem can't really be tackled because it affects such a small number of people and is not reproducible, so there is nothing to start with. You can try different things on your end and see if they make a difference. For example, change clients/routers/ISPs, etc.

[HeartVivian]

I just checked since I haven't added a new torrent that I have kept continuously seeding since I reformatted until now.

But you can clearly see the same inconsistency you were talking about. It seems quite common.