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Offline FlyinPenguin

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How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« on: March 28, 2013, 09:08:10 AM »
This is more geared towards console gaming then PC but not necessarily exclusive. I am sure may of you have been threatened with being hacked by people who rage if they are pissed off in any way. No doubt most of these people are just talking shit. It is always "I am going to hack you. Tomorrow when you log in, you will have no account" or "I just texted my mate and he is going to hack your account tomorrow". Those threats are about as common as "My friend works for Microsoft/Sony. He is going to ban your account now".

I always laugh at them and shrug off their childish threats but is that a bit naive on my part? Hacking obviously is a real thing. It happens. There is obviously a method to fucking people over. But how? How do people see your screen name on Xbox Live or PSN and then proceed to hack your account?

To be clear, I am not asking for a how to hack people guide. I am just asking what the general process is in order to understand the risk. Is this really a real threat? I know there are flaws when calling customer service that can allow people access to other people's accounts by playing dumb. Even Apple has been vulnerable to people claiming to be idiots who can't remember a single piece of their account info and then gaining access to some other person's account.

So, let's say someone who really knows how to hack threatens me. Am I really at risk from them just knowing my screen name?
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 09:10:15 AM »
online = its somewhat a threat, but nope getting hacked is just a way to finally quit that game for me.
offline = do you even lose anything?

but no, chances of you pissing off a real hacker that can actually hack is low, we're looking at one in a million chances here.
if your password isn't a string of words but a combination of letters and numbers with at least no less than 7characters, brute strength hacking would at least take months.

edit: also most games have anti-spam logins, or in other words they block login attemps if its done a number of times in a short time span.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 10:08:30 AM by kitamesume »

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 10:48:01 AM »
People who have valuable accounts in MMO games like those globally ranked highest, etc... change their passwords on a weekly basis.

Other than that just use common sense, most people lose their account to phishing, not actual hacking.
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 11:21:41 AM »
In the past 15 or so years that I've been gaming the only one time I've ever been "hacked" was due to my own stupidity downloaded a keylogger.

Short of downloading something malicious or getting phished, you aren't very likely to get hacked. Just use a strong password.

As for how secure your password is, check here: http://howsecureismypassword.net/

If you set that to 25 billion you can see how long it'd take a modern CPU & high end GPU to crack your pass.

If you need a strong pass, just go here: http://rumkin.com/tools/password/pass_gen.php

Code: [Select]
abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyzACDEFGHJKLMNPQRTUVWXYZ234679!\"?$%^&*()_-+={}[]:;@'~#|<>.,/áī©ðéāēūíōòøµñóöä®ßþúåüæ¡&sup2;&sup3;¤€€&frac14;&frac12;&frac34;‘’µçㅋ

Set it to something like 20 characters long. Here's some examples:

A-T#,ūeL@"tg|ㅋēt6¤h'
&&sup2;þN¤aD@Té!ōµC"@9h%ä
öíø#4R,‘%&sup2;Q.ōK©%J+6n
®W$øs,X?'tµáí{*ōçJ(á
_=$6á&sup2;p&sup3;!G=çqx%.QmVV
<nR#Qq®"ö{pE©@īßrZ&frac12;ū
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€&uāsú(#ßR>]6@%Nuk+m
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141 nonillion years to crack. That's 141 x 1030 years.

Another concern is your e-mail. Use an e-mail provider with two-step authentication. Gmail for instance has this. This makes it so that there's no way anyone could get into your email to authorize a password change without access to either your home or cell phone. Most getting hacked probably have their passwords just stolen from databases, so make sure every single password you use is unique and never reuse the same password.

For websites, I very strongly recommend LastPass: https://lastpass.com/

It makes life infinitely easier, and it's extremely secure. They also have plug-ins for just about everything. Here's a review of it by security expert Steve Gibson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Q_anb7pwg#t=52m45s

And here's a long transcript if you'd rather just read/skim: http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-256.htm

I use Grid Multifactor Authentication with LastPass as well. Here's what that is: https://helpdesk.lastpass.com/security-options/grid-multifactor-authentication/

It's very secure... The only way someone other than you could get into your account is to physically have access to your grid, which you should keep on your person. Even if you assume someone could log your grid and try to memorize the whole thing... if you just change it every week or so even that's not plausible. You can also set secure locations so you don't have to enter it from home or such if you have somewhere secure that you aren't worried about. Extremely secure.

Here's I think probably one of the most important parts about the security of LastPass if you're super lazy:
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 12:08:24 PM »
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A-T#,ūeL@"tg|ㅋēt6¤h'
&&sup2;þN¤aD@Té!ōµC"@9h%ä
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alot of games doesn't support these types of characters, just saying.

you don't really need a password with a billion year brute tolerance, you only need one with about an average of 1-5years, since you'd either be done with that game by then, or changed the password by then.

edit: the best way to not get hacked though is to be careful and not attract attention.
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2013, 12:31:09 PM »
Absolutely do not follow Tiffany's password advice. You will more likely lose the password yourself.

This advice is better:
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2013, 12:33:16 PM »
Absolutely do not follow Tiffany's password advice. You will more likely lose the password yourself.

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Tiff's advice is good if you're using LastPass, since you don't have to remember your passwords to begin with.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »
Were we not talking in context of video games log ins?
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2013, 12:39:08 PM »
That's not always a possibility. And weird sentence or whatever is a good idea if there's no upper boundary on the character limit.

Brute forcing: Yo.Mama's.So.Fat.She.Has.He r.Own.Satellite isn't the easiest thing in the world.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2013, 12:54:58 PM »
there is something called Brute Force Dictionary or Dictionary brute-force, each word is as easy as a single character. so those 4word password is as easy as a 4 character password.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 01:00:04 PM »
Write 4 words as one then. Should work. Hell I have one password written in a local dialect of my language. Good luck finding it in any dictionary.
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 01:04:31 PM »
Were we not talking in context of video games log ins?

True I suppose. Lastpass can't interact with game clients and/or consoles.

Xbox live only requires you to type your password once per console (afaik) so it isn't too much of a hassle to make a strong Password since you don't have to type it up constantly. I dunno about the PS3 though.

I guess it's just a matter of what each individuals paranoia/convenience ratio is.

If your password is strong and they still manage to gain access to your account, then I'd say the fault most likely lies with the service provider and the security of their network, or the Help&support call center and their tendency to leak information slowly over time through repeated phone calls. In both of those scenarios, there's nothing you can really do that would help to prevent an attack.

Aside from that, don't fall for obvious in-game scam mail, or visit any tertiary sites related to the game you're playing unless they're trusted and referenced by a majority of the players. If you do, make sure you use a different password if you sign up for it. A good example here would be World of Warcraft and WoWhead.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 01:10:00 PM »
there is something called Brute Force Dictionary or Dictionary brute-force, each word is as easy as a single character. so those 4word password is as easy as a 4 character password.

Yes, but a dictionary based attack is basically never used to check more than two or three word long passwords. Also, writing it down in slang, or better yet, in a not too common language, tends to get you around such limitations. Also, punctuation.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 01:19:47 PM »
Either way I think password itself is not an issue. The phishing sites are.

1. Sites that offer to powerlevel for you. Some of them are legit, but there is always a possibility that they will empty your game account for all your stuff.
2. Registering on various sites where you at the same time give your email address as well as game account username. Not dangerous by itself, unless you used same password for them.
3. Those fake emails from "admins" that ask for your password. Remember, admins can enter your account without password so they wouldn't bother asking for it.
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 01:30:25 PM »
theres also a little problem with a lot of online games, usually those have a character limit of 4-20 and doesn't allow special characters, so pretty much restricted to alpha-numerical combinations.
with a 20character password at most you can only fit 2-4 words in, which is practically vulnerable to dictionary attacks.

some custom dictionary brute-force library can even know P4S5W02D.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 01:38:04 PM »
theres also a little problem with a lot of online games, usually those have a character limit of 4-20 and doesn't allow special characters, so pretty much restricted to alpha-numerical combinations.
with a 20character password at most you can only fit 2-4 words in, which is practically vulnerable to dictionary attacks.

some custom dictionary brute-force library can even know P4S5W02D.

You're forgetting that the more advanced the dictionary, the larger it is. It's not the same as guessing a 3 letter word. Where one letter can be one of 100 or so characters. It's doing that where one of the letters could have well over a million characters. That ain't fast.

Also, get me a dictionary that has "SisZaidimasSupistas'

P.S. I'll agree with Ace once again. Most of the problems with hacking come from PEBCAK, not anything else. This is the age of the internet, time to learn the rules and start using Common SenseTM
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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 01:45:35 PM »
If you have a moderately strong password and face someone who actually has the knowledge to perform a brute force attack, why would he bother? There are far more tastier targets than some dude who killed him a couple of times on a game. Hackers tend to like a challenge. I heard that the hotel hosting Defcon (hacker convention) last year removed ALL firewalls and security on their system after being repeatedly hacked by residents the year previous. Result? Nada. No challenge, nobody could be bothered. What's the threat of being hacked? Pretty much non existent. Unless you do something stupid like posting your password online, but then you deserve it for being such a fucking moron. NEVER post your password to anyone. Ever.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 01:53:09 PM »
"sis" is a common slang, too common. the rest i don't know, i don't hack myself so yeah.

gpu accelerated rigs today can guess at a phase of over 1,000,000/sec, with a dictionary attack containing a billion words it'd take it 1000seconds to finish each word at worst case scenario.
so with a 4word max at 1000seconds each that'd take 4000seconds, less than a day.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/

to put things on a neutral here, i'm saying that don't build your password entirely out of words.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 02:12:02 PM »
"sis" is a common slang, too common. the rest i don't know, i don't hack myself so yeah.

gpu accelerated rigs today can guess at a phase of over 1,000,000/sec, with a dictionary attack containing a billion words it'd take it 1000seconds to finish each word at worst case scenario.
so with a 4word max at 1000seconds each that'd take 4000seconds, less than a day.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/

to put things on a neutral here, i'm saying that don't build your password entirely out of words.

That's actually Lithuanian.

If they have the hash and are dead set on getting it, you're shit out of luck. Be it 2zIC0cx!LaU2Zgo6jR#c or SisZaidimasSupistas .

The general algorithm for forcing something, from a basic hacker, is to go through a dictionary once and one world only, if no results are gained, then letters only up to about 7-8 letters, then the same with numbers/letters and only then as a final attempt do a random up to whatever, as that's the most time efficient way to do it for people who don't have quad+ GPU workstations.

I'm not going to say that there's no one that would set up a dictionary attack to check for all the variations of 4 word passwords, but the amount of people that would do that could be counted on your hand, as that is a very inefficient way to go about it what concerns the habits of 98.5% of all users and all passwords.

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Re: How real is the threat of being hacked when gaming?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2013, 02:21:08 PM »
I just realised something; if you're a person who easily forgets passwords, can't you take a common word (or the name of the site or something), calculate the SHA1-hash of it and use that as your password? It'll both be very secure and easily memorable!

...although, you probable won't remember the hash, so tools like LastPass or hash calculation algorithms are necessary.