Thinking of buying a new comp with win 8 on it

[sams88]

It is to the starter of the thread. ^^

But if you're pointing to linux. You can actually make and use your own keys or use windows keys if you want to. 

Yes they got a workaround out from Archlinux to circumvent it so future distros aren't going to suffer problems. I don't just use Linux as a second OS but also to help me back up and reinstall my computer painlessly by copying the partitions in case of Windows crash without losing my files or having to reinstall every single driver, so not being able to use my liveboot CD is a big deal for me.

[JoonasTo]

You can just use shim. It has microft keys. Just dump it into your liveCD.

[sams88]

You can just use shim. It has microft keys. Just dump it into your liveCD.

I will do that, but I am in no way in a hurry to get a Win8 machine and I don't see how it give me any kind of value.

[kitamesume]

You can just use shim. It has microft keys. Just dump it into your liveCD.

I will do that, but I am in no way in a hurry to get a Win8 machine and I don't see how it give me any kind of value.

you don't get any(value/worth), thats one part where windows8 fails.

not like the uproar xp/vista -> win7 did at least.

[sams88]

You can just use shim. It has microft keys. Just dump it into your liveCD.

I will do that, but I am in no way in a hurry to get a Win8 machine and I don't see how it give me any kind of value.

you don't get any(value/worth), thats one part where windows8 fails.

not like the uproar xp/vista -> win7 did at least.

The uproar about Windows XP was misplaced, because besides the eye candy the system was a huge improvement from Win98 and better than using WinNT, Millennium was the first attempt at lets try to scam the fools with worthless features, but Win7 does bring a lot to the table with good 64bit support, stable system, good driver support and backward compatibility.

[AceHigh]

Uproar aside, I never used Vista, jumped from XP to Win7 with the main reason being new graphic card that supported DX11 (so I jumped over DX10 as well).

I am not going to be dramatic over new OS, I just don't see a reason to upgrade if I don't see exactly what part of OS I am upgrading. So why should I pay... wait, I mean waste my bandwith pirating an OS when it holds no advantages over an old one?

But yeah, I agree that fanboyism and hate for something so trivial is silly.

[sams88]

I am not going to be dramatic over new OS, I just don't see a reason to upgrade if I don't see exactly what part of OS I am upgrading. So why should I pay... wait, I mean waste my bandwith pirating an OS when it holds no advantages over an old one?

I see what you did there lol 

On my defense I did buy two new laptops and the price included the Windows OS ... so I did buy two copies of Windows (Vista and 7). I did got a non-exactly Gates friendly copy because for my Win7 system they refused to include an install CD and instead put in a recovery partition that I erased because it was more efficient for me to create my own backup partition with all my favorite software and drivers installed.

Part of the uproar from the non-paying customers generally appear when there is compatibility issues, but some part of it just M$ hate.

[Slysoft]

Windows 8 aside, I would rather spend an extra 400 dollars on a quality sager that actually has a grahpics card and has a 1080p screen, and comes with no OS on it stock so you can just install it yourself. Unless this computer is 100% office productivity only in which case I would recommend neither windows 7 or 8 and install linux because you won't be doing much modern gaming on it.

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np6175-clevo-w170er-eta-329-p-4345.html?wconfigure=yes

[kitamesume]

hey hey, on second thought you might wanna wait for the haswells, neat as they are on battery life (yes they're like freaking atoms on steroids) GT3 is amazing, inbetween A10 and A8 trinity performance

typical price points are said to be 400$-600$ for the i3 and i5, while i7 shouldn't be much over 700$.

[Slysoft]

hey hey, on second thought you might wanna wait for the haswells, neat as they are on battery life (yes they're like freaking atoms on steroids) GT3 is amazing, inbetween A10 and A8 trinity performance

typical price points are said to be 400$-600$ for the i3 and i5, while i7 shouldn't be much over 700$.

I'm not sure about haswell mobiles but I was disappointed with haswell desktop processors. Higher power requirement than the ivy bridge with the same base clockspeed, and the only improvement is with IGP which is useless for me.

[kitamesume]

the TDP increase is because of 50% performance increase of IGP (GT2) for desktops, normally when you aren't using IGP the TDP is either lower or the CPU hogs it.
TDP isn't even power consumption, TDP stands for Thermal design power.

mobile platforms on the otherhand have bonus idle states and sleep states, theres even an idle state thats a hybrid of sleep itself but its usable, transition times from that S0ix only takes micro to milliseconds.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/3

[Freedom Kira]

I'm not sure about haswell mobiles but I was disappointed with haswell desktop processors. Higher power requirement than the ivy bridge with the same base clockspeed, and the only improvement is with IGP which is useless for me.

Thinking intuitively, the power requirement would not change if you leave the IGP turned off, if it really is the only improvement. I suspect they tweaked a few things to decrease power consumption though (even if it's only like 1%), like they always do.

[Saras]

What's with the hate on Win 8? Granted, it does require a bit of getting used, but after using it for well over six months now, whenever I have to sit down to a win 7 machine... it just feels dated.

It doesn't add anything to my needs that Win7 doesn't have. Is that a good enough reason?
Also some older games have driver issues with Win8.

Yes, the inconveniences are small and not worth any real hate, but win8 adds nothing useful, so no reason for upgrade.

Older games, I suppose, but that's not an issue I have to deal with.

What it adds is better multi-core management and general kernel optimizations. In gaming terms, it's actually noticeable on some newer games. Also, that task manager. It's leagues above win7's.

[sams88]

Also, that task manager. It's leagues above win7's.

Pretty useless, since the TM main use is shutting down buggy software, nothing much else besides that and the functions seems to be the same of always.

[QuickSilvyr]

Still runs a w2kpro box somewhere...

I use w7/linux and OSX.6.8 at home and at work on dual and quads. I don't need microsoft's newest.
If I want to play space defenders, work with pagemaker, freehand, rhino (insert whatever prog ffs) I have to unearth an old 98/w2k/xp box. Some progz run with emulators. but thats it. They don't run well as on native systems.
You need to know what you want to do with the box. Why buy a Ferrari 599 or Porsche GT3 if you just commute stop and go on the 405 each day in a traffic jam?

[JoonasTo]

Also, that task manager. It's leagues above win7's.

Pretty useless, since the TM main use is shutting down buggy software, nothing much else besides that and the functions seems to be the same of always.

And you'll be using tskill anyway because the TM command is not forced. But it does provide mostly adequate information for finding causes for the slowdowns.

[sams88]

Still runs a w2kpro box somewhere...

I use w7/linux and OSX.6.8 at home and at work on dual and quads. I don't need microsoft's newest.
If I want to play space defenders, work with pagemaker, freehand, rhino (insert whatever prog ffs) I have to unearth an old 98/w2k/xp box. Some progz run with emulators. but thats it. They don't run well as on native systems.
You need to know what you want to do with the box. Why buy a Ferrari 599 or Porsche GT3 if you just commute stop and go on the 405 each day in a traffic jam?

I just learned this the hard way for my pocket, I was pretty excited about eGPU for my laptop but after losing about 50£ on it I will just save money and buy a proper Alienware box by the end of the year.

Also, that task manager. It's leagues above win7's.

Pretty useless, since the TM main use is shutting down buggy software, nothing much else besides that and the functions seems to be the same of always.

And you'll be using tskill anyway because the TM command is not forced. But it does provide mostly adequate information for finding causes for the slowdowns.

See what I mean about not witnessing any substantial improvement.

[QuickSilvyr]

Exactly Sams88. I did that once with a dual P2. Tyan Tiger 133 board. Imported it myself. I thought I'd need the power. 2 years later the newer cpu generation tore my hyper-dual-1gb-ram box apart as if it was a cheap throw out from walmart.

I'll admit that I drool over alienware, sony and samsung stuff. Next year maybe I'll try a newer Vaio or Samsung slim thingy. I'd never buy a apple notebook. Silly prices for a friggin' intel machine.

[Slysoft]

Exactly Sams88. I did that once with a dual P2. Tyan Tiger 133 board. Imported it myself. I thought I'd need the power. 2 years later the newer cpu generation tore my hyper-dual-1gb-ram box apart as if it was a cheap throw out from walmart.

I'll admit that I drool over alienware, sony and samsung stuff. Next year maybe I'll try a newer Vaio or Samsung slim thingy. I'd never buy a apple notebook. Silly prices for a friggin' intel machine.

alienware is not worth the money. comparing two laptops you get the same specs for an extra thousand dollars, and the alienware looks retarded.

[sams88]

Exactly Sams88. I did that once with a dual P2. Tyan Tiger 133 board. Imported it myself. I thought I'd need the power. 2 years later the newer cpu generation tore my hyper-dual-1gb-ram box apart as if it was a cheap throw out from walmart.

I'll admit that I drool over alienware, sony and samsung stuff. Next year maybe I'll try a newer Vaio or Samsung slim thingy. I'd never buy a apple notebook. Silly prices for a friggin' intel machine.

alienware is not worth the money. comparing two laptops you get the same specs for an extra thousand dollars, and the alienware looks retarded.

The Alienware laptops are a bit overpriced because of branding and because you are asking for frigging Desktop performance on a laptop, so of course you are going to get milked 

But the Alienware Desktop offerings are also a bit expensive, but it is has consistency in hardware and drivers, unless you know REALLY what the heck you are doing you are better off buying a properly designed and tested Alienware tower than doing a custom job. My PSU for my eGPU broke down because "surprise" the cheapo ebay stuff couldn't cope with the voltage requirements and a proper volted PSU is about 200£ ... and my motherboard is getting "NO RAM" error each time I connect the frankeinsten graphic card to it. I sold every single component of it, I can't take it anymore.

I will probably have to burn the receipt so my parents don't kill me to spending that much money (of my own money) on a single computer, but something like this is more suitable : http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-aurora-r4/pd

But you get a consitent quality, and a better updatability out of it.