The General Chit Chat Thread 3

[AceHigh]

Safety has nothing to do with efficiency. Beside I will clarify: the use of technology is inefficient even if the car is best in some categories among others.

[lololitas]

If you want I can relay your idea to a porsche R&D lab xD

Also I doubt I'd have survived the only accident I've been a part of with a Tesla, no matter how safe it is, it doesn't help if a car crashes into your R class with almost 300km/h (180mph) while you are standing in a traffic jam We all survived with only my brother having a broken leg. Then again the analyst said we only survived due to having added an anchor(if it's called that) made purely of steel.

I think he isn't calling the car inefficent, but the fact that it still uses all those components. Right now you have the engine that creates kinetic energy, this is than transmitted mechanically most likely (could be electrical transmission, but that'd beat the purpose of a central motor I think), leading to loss of efficency. You could include the motor in the wheels perfectly and just directly transmit electricity to it instead of using traditional transmission methods

Edit (before anyone calls me stupid hater): Note that I don't know that much about cars, all I know is from talks with people that work in that area

[Mistgun_Zero]

Throwing out differential would be one big mistake you know. Relying on computer solely to control the motors is not really a good thing. A mechanical differential is a safe way to make sure if anything happens (like the electric motor getting locked due to excess flux) it's not gonna be a real disaster.

Same with the brake I guess.   

[lololitas]

I'm wondering wether you need to replace all 4 wheels with motor wheels, if you wanted to be safe, only make the rear wheels motor wheels, and keep traditional brakes in the front wheels. Also electric components COULD be as reliable as any mechanical counterpart if not for the free market.

[AceHigh]

I agree on the notion of various failures. However just like we design safeguards for mechanical drive-train, we can do so with electric one as well. Besides differential is there for the turns of the rear axle, throw out the axle which you no longer need due to individual motors and you don't need a differential.

In fact I think Tesla has it's motor sitting on the axle, so I don't think even they use a differential. Not sure though.

Some safeguards I could think for brakes are for example retarder brakes like the ones big trucks use, or motor shutdown effectively making it a break even with no power. Stuff like that.

Edit: Sure you could have only 2 motors in the back, military APCs with 6 wheels could have 6 motors. All depending on the task at hand. My main point was a decentralization of the power unit that generates kinetic energy and placement of it at the point where energy transfers to the ground (wheels) in order to remove drivetrain.

[Tiffanys]

Safety has nothing to do with efficiency. Beside I will clarify: the use of technology is inefficient even if the car is best in some categories among others.

It's not "some categories among others," it's literally all of them. They got a perfect 5 stars in literally every category. They got 5.4 stars, which is a rating so high that it doesn't even exist.

[lololitas]

In a safety test  I've read the local news about the car and they enver indicated that the motor was better than others, or that their batteries were better than competitors.

I'm not saying the car is not amongst the best in the world, but depending on what you need this car is actually pretty useless. MOst people don't want to wait hours to refuel/charge

[AceHigh]

Safety has nothing to do with efficiency. Beside I will clarify: the use of technology is inefficient even if the car is best in some categories among others.

It's not "some categories among others," it's literally all of them. They got a perfect 5 stars in literally every category. They got 5.4 stars, which is a rating so high that it doesn't even exist.

Aren't you a scientist? Don't you have a drive to push the boundaries? Jeeeez, I never said the car was bad, I just have ideas for further improvements that require unorthodox design.

I can even add that some credit should be given to innovation, considering USA automotive industry became stagnant otherwise.

[Tiffanys]

In a safety test  I've read the local news about the car and they enver indicated that the motor was better than others, or that their batteries were better than competitors.

They don't make the battery. I believe it's Panasonic.

[lololitas]

Actually they're probably going with whoever is cheapest at the same capacity. However charging may be an issue, sure if you only go to work every day you can charge it over night, but in germany were you can easily pass 600km in 3 hours, where cars are the first choice for long distance travel, you don't want to wait for it to recharge

[Saras]

Safety has nothing to do with efficiency. Beside I will clarify: the use of technology is inefficient even if the car is best in some categories among others.

It's not "some categories among others," it's literally all of them. They got a perfect 5 stars in literally every category. They got 5.4 stars, which is a rating so high that it doesn't even exist.

Road trip around Africa, go.

Let me see how your car is best.

[Gh0st93]

Ok I must admit, in terms of old cars these 2 are basically my favorite.

1965 Pontiac GTO

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1953 porsche 356 speedster

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[Mistgun_Zero]

It's not "some categories among others," it's literally all of them. They got a perfect 5 stars in literally every category. They got 5.4 stars, which is a rating so high that it doesn't even exist.

Doesn't matter. If you crash at 120 kmph, you are NOT COMING OUT UNSCATHED.

[AceHigh]

I came unscathed from a 120-130kph crash. My Mazda was airborne as it flew far out in the field and had a landing that looked like this:

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Haha, you only get to be 18 and stupid once 

[Gh0st93]

I came unscathed from a 120-130kph crash. My Mazda was airborne as it flew far out in the field and had a landing that looked like this:

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Haha, you only get to be 18 and stupid once 

You got really lucky there.

[Tanis]

I think I pissed off the local 'moral college "police" ' today.

They were having a loud 'talking to' some poor freshman about the "lies of evolution".
It was like they were trying to publicly 'shame' him.

The freshman was clearly being bullied while they basically talked down to him and told him he was hell bound for thinking evolution was true.

I used google to prove, using legit sources, that everything that they were basically saying was a LIE and told them next time I find them harassing someone because of their views I was going to report them for bulling.

I also informed them I had no problem publicly shaming them for being the assholes that they are.
Any time, any place.

They were clearly NOT happy with my willingness to defend others and stand up to their BULLSHIT.

Fucking tossers.

[AceHigh]

I think I pissed off the local 'moral college "police" ' today.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life.    -Winston Churchill

[Tiffanys]

It's not "some categories among others," it's literally all of them. They got a perfect 5 stars in literally every category. They got 5.4 stars, which is a rating so high that it doesn't even exist.

Doesn't matter. If you crash at 120 kmph, you are NOT COMING OUT UNSCATHED.

74mph is nothing... and you'd be a lot better off than any other car on the market.

Road trip around Africa, go.

Let me see how your car is best.

You need roads for a "road trip." 

Actually they're probably going with whoever is cheapest at the same capacity. However charging may be an issue, sure if you only go to work every day you can charge it over night, but in germany were you can easily pass 600km in 3 hours, where cars are the first choice for long distance travel, you don't want to wait for it to recharge

No it's Panasonic...

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OSAKA —

Panasonic Corp on Wednesday announced that shipments of its automotive-grade lithium-ion battery cells for Tesla Motors’ premium, all-electric Model S sedan will surpass 100 million units by the end of this month.

Delivery of the Model S started in 2012 in the United States. The electric-powered car has been praised for its innovative and luxurious design and outstanding performance, including long driving range, and sales of the vehicle are projected to top 20,000 units this year.

Panasonic said it is strengthening the technology development and business of rechargeable battery cells for eco-friendly cars, which are expected to increase rapidly in the coming years.

For several years, Panasonic has built its partnership with Tesla, starting with the battery supply for Tesla’s luxury sports car, the Roadster. The relationship was extended to the battery supply for the Model S as well as collaboration on the development of next-generation lithium-ion battery cells for EVs.

[ThePlaneJet]

I don't think I wanna drive a car from the same company as my television.

[Tiffanys]

You have a Tesla TV?