The General Chit Chat Thread 3

[ThePlaneJet]

Maybe. No I just saw Panasonic and wrote stuff down to increase my post count.

[lololitas]

head -> table

Although Tesla's inventions were most likely used in one way or another for TVs

[Xycolian2332]

Neat car.

Way the fuck out of my price range though.

Never really understood this whole obsession with electric cars and how they're supposedly better for the environment when the electricity used to power them comes mostly from coal and other things that are just as bad.

[lololitas]

Which brings us to fallout like nuclear powered cars xD Someone should finally develop rad-X and radaway

[ThePlaneJet]

Or we could just ride bikes and walk.

[AceHigh]

Never really understood this whole obsession with electric cars and how they're supposedly better for the environment when the electricity used to power them comes mostly from coal and other things that are just as bad.

Fuck that. Electric motors have a much better acceleration potential and can make for some race beasts.

[Tiffanys]

Neat car.

Way the fuck out of my price range though.

Never really understood this whole obsession with electric cars and how they're supposedly better for the environment when the electricity used to power them comes mostly from coal and other things that are just as bad.

There will be one in the $30k range in around 2015 or so, it's codenamed Tesla Bluestar right now I believe.

And: http://teslarumors.com/USA-Residental-Energy-Cost-2011-by-State.html

If you compare like 15-30mpg and gas prices of like $3.75/gallon; 300/15->20=$75, 300/30->10=$37.50. We did 300 miles there btw, since that's the highest estimates on the Tesla page. In my state it'd be only $9.45 for 300 miles with a Tesla car compared to $75 with a 15mpg car or $37.50 with a 30mpg car. It'd be as cheap as $8.02 for 300 miles if you lived in Utah.

It looks like a person spends on average $368 per month on gas. So anywho, if you had a 30mpg car it'd be 3.97x cheaper or 7.94x cheaper if you had a 15mpg car. $92 vs $368, or $46 vs $368. That's roughly $276-322 savings per month. Multiply that times 12 and you're looking at saving $3,312-3,864 a year. Average car ownership is about 5 years, so if you own it for 5 years you'd roughly save on gas prices alone $16,560-19,320.

With a normal car? You don't save anything. You pay that much more just to drive it. What's more, you shouldn't ever have to worry about stopping to fill your car up again. You just plug it in when you get home then in the morning every day you'd start with a full tank and I doubt most people drive over 300 miles in a day.

With that said, $30,000 car + $7,500 tax incentive + $19,320 gas savings in 5 years means that you essentially pay $3,180 for the safest car on the road, assuming it matches the Model S's safety ratings which I don't doubt it will. Hard to beat...

I'm telling you, in 5-10 years everyone's going to be doing electric. There'll be no reason not to. Check out their timeline for their supercharger stations: http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

You're kinda unlucky if you're in Europe, unless you live in Norway lol.

[lololitas]

Still 20 minutes for half a charge that can take you 150-180 miles, vs 5 minutes for a full tank that can take you (depending on the car you own) up to 420 miles. Unless they actually provide some kind of wireless charging stations along all motorways it's not going to conquer the market in europe. People prefer to be flexible, and outside the city is where the disadvantages will hit you. As a city vehicle I'm all for it though, as nothing in the city can harm it and it saves money to boot. With our current infrastructure and market demand in europe, things are going hybrid and not purely electric, since even a weak secondary gas motor can help you out in a pinch (or people overdo it and combine a 500hp gas motor witha 450hp electric, and then wonder why there is not trunkspace left due to the battery 

[Tiffanys]

Still 20 minutes for half a charge that can take you 150-180 miles, vs 5 minutes for a full tank that can take you (depending on the car you own) up to 420 miles. Unless they actually provide some kind of wireless charging stations along all motorways it's not going to conquer the market in europe. People prefer to be flexible, and outside the city is where the disadvantages will hit you. As a city vehicle I'm all for it though, as nothing in the city can harm it and it saves money to boot. With our current infrastructure and market demand in europe, things are going hybrid and not purely electric, since even a weak secondary gas motor can help you out in a pinch (or people overdo it and combine a 500hp gas motor witha 450hp electric, and then wonder why there is not trunkspace left due to the battery 

They have battery swap for that, and it's done in half the time of filling up gas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

Actually 1:33 compared to ~4m.

[lololitas]

While battery swapping is wonderful in the basic idea, we all know that batteries degrade overtime, let's say you run out with your brand new Model S, and as a replacement you get a spare part, that's already been fully charged and discharged 1k times, aren't you making a serious loss? Now if a company commits to guaranteeing sustainable battery quality over time, then it'll work (I think tesla has an eight year warranty), but I'm not seing anyone offering that. Also do consider the investments to all companies (gas stations and emergency helpers like ADAC) to start the replacement battery service, they'd need batteries for all available models. Right now the most common policy for our ADAC is a replacement vehicle for EV users.

[AceHigh]

You're kinda unlucky if you're in Europe, unless you live in Norway lol.

It's only natural. With 99,8% hydroelectric energy of total energy generation, using electric cars makes much more sense here than anywhere else in the world.

[Tiffanys]

While battery swapping is wonderful in the basic idea, we all know that batteries degrade overtime, let's say you run out with your brand new Model S, and as a replacement you get a spare part, that's already been fully charged and discharged 1k times, aren't you making a serious loss? Now if a company commits to guaranteeing sustainable battery quality over time, then it'll work (I think tesla has an eight year warranty), but I'm not seing anyone offering that. Also do consider the investments to all companies (gas stations and emergency helpers like ADAC) to start the replacement battery service, they'd need batteries for all available models. Right now the most common policy for our ADAC is a replacement vehicle for EV users.

I don't know anything about batteries so I'm not qualified to raise a counter argument in this discussion. Though, I'm sure their engineers have thought of that.

[lololitas]

I don't know that much either, but the points I know are:

batteries degrade over time, depending on the type some degrade faster, others slower. E.g. a few years ago laptop batteries were rated at 300 charges before loosing capacity. For basic theory on how this works you'll have to look up electo-chemistry, e.g. the galvanic cell. Afaik modern batteries still use a balance of two chemically different kathodes/anodes, however the difference decreases over time.

while the capacity of batteries can vary, a consistent output is necessary for one device, so switching up batteries may end up dangerous

batteries are highly temperature dependent, both in terms of momentary charge capacity, as well as total life time (I think due to the cold preventing the movement of molecules, thus decreasing the amount of chemically stored energy), also heat may directly damage the cells (so it's probably hard for continental weather areas to use EVs, when we're talking about temperature spanning +50 to -50°C

[Gh0st93]

There is obviously a market for electric cars but gas and diesel are the current kings and will stay at the top for the foreseeable future. Besides Gas and diesel vehicles are getting better and better all the time, i.e. the clean turbo diesels, etc.  And there is still a lot of possible bugs to be worked out in electric vehicles, so it's kind of a learn as you go thing.

[Tiffanys]

Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.

[Gh0st93]

Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.

Is that actually something in the road that charges the car?

[Tiffanys]

Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.

Is that actually something in the road that charges the car?

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/02/electric-highway-would-charge-car-while-you-drive/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/in-the-future-electromagnetic-roads-may-charge-your-cars-while-you-drive/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUEx4VwyqM

You could probably google more.

[metro.]

So it took me about an hour to pack up everything, excluding my PC, which will take about another half hour, that I'd been living with for the last 4 months.

I'm not sure if this is good or bad.

[Mistgun_Zero]

Haha, don't worry. I am sure it's not bad. It only takes 1 and half hour fort me.............is it bad .......  ??

[lololitas]

Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.

Is that actually something in the road that charges the car?

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/02/electric-highway-would-charge-car-while-you-drive/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/in-the-future-electromagnetic-roads-may-charge-your-cars-while-you-drive/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUEx4VwyqM

You could probably google more.

The concept has been tested on smaller scales before (usually on companny owned properties), however it faces two massive problems: first you need to reubild the entire street infrastructure, and the second would be that it currently isn't enough to charge a car faster than it uses up energy, afaik. Also for countries with greener governments, magnetic fields do strongly irritate birds (and some other animals too) which will forever be a problem. Anyway, these highways were used in Viper's Creed I think, I want them too.