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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6020 on: August 30, 2013, 12:01:56 AM »
Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.
Is that actually something in the road that charges the car?
http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/02/electric-highway-would-charge-car-while-you-drive/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/in-the-future-electromagnetic-roads-may-charge-your-cars-while-you-drive/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUEx4VwyqM

You could probably google more.
and the second would be that it currently isn't enough to charge a car faster than it uses up energy, afaik.

That's not necessarily a "problem" I don't see many gas pumps that follow cars around.

The main problem I see in such a system is how they would hold people accountable for the energy they use in such a fashion.

I guess there would need to be some new kind of meter that keeps track of how much KWH you used on your car while it's in motion. It would also need to send it's data to the appropriate people, before they send a bill to the address that's on the vehicles registration.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6021 on: August 30, 2013, 12:27:11 AM »
For some reason or two, it doesn't feel like a real day to me. I woke up sleepy and yawning.


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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6022 on: August 30, 2013, 12:37:40 AM »
Gas isn't getting any cheaper y'know.

Besides, we could actually make roads that charge cars while they're driving.
Is that actually something in the road that charges the car?
http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/02/electric-highway-would-charge-car-while-you-drive/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/in-the-future-electromagnetic-roads-may-charge-your-cars-while-you-drive/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfUEx4VwyqM

You could probably google more.
and the second would be that it currently isn't enough to charge a car faster than it uses up energy, afaik.

That's not necessarily a "problem" I don't see many gas pumps that follow cars around.

The main problem I see in such a system is how they would hold people accountable for the energy they use in such a fashion.

I guess there would need to be some new kind of meter that keeps track of how much KWH you used on your car while it's in motion. It would also need to send it's data to the appropriate people, before they send a bill to the address that's on the vehicles registration.

true it's not really a problem, but it does mean that the car will run out eventually. Also I think governments will turn to a toll system, which probably will resemble either the vignette system or a special tax. That implementation will be a lot cheaper than implementing a meter in every car and reading it.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6023 on: August 30, 2013, 12:47:00 AM »
Honestly I think whatever happens it will have to be a natural progression from our current system and it has to work for everyone even from the start. So trying to just push a whole new system through in place of the old one will fail considerably, and quite frankly there isn't a clear cut better answer. If there was it would already have been done, Gas and diesel have a lot of merits and they are getting better all the time. Electric vehicles have there merits but the drawbacks are still there and quite frankly not everyone wants to drive an electric vehicle.

So I think electric vehicles will continually grow in urban areas as they should but we cant just replace everything with them. A good example is that now a lot of trash disposal have gone over to natural gas, so like I said it will be a natural progression of the current system.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6024 on: August 30, 2013, 01:37:17 AM »
Five pages, and Tatsu left my question unanswered. >_>

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6025 on: August 30, 2013, 03:44:29 AM »
Ah!
This wonderful feeling...
I marathoned 2 13ep anime series overnight.... Now I feel tired and refreshed....
Gonna leave to school soon....

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6026 on: August 30, 2013, 04:31:53 AM »
Tesla's Model S is still the best car ever made though. :P

Arghh... inefficiency! Drivetrain designed for combustion engines is still partially used for electric cars.

Ok, here is my idea for the most practical application of electric motors in cars. 4 electric motors, 1 in each wheel. Yes, the motor is a part of the wheel. This results in the following:
1. Motors have individual control and acceleration controlled by computer. No need for differential, throw it out of the window, save weight.
2. Motors are also breaks that once again are controlled individually. Throw dedicated brakes out of the window, save weight and complexity (maybe keep a back up safety system).
3. Weight distribution, centre of mass becomes really low with motors sitting in wheels and batteries running along the floor.
4. Efficiency. We lose traditional drivetrain alltogether. Wires going to each wheel.

With those factors we will get a car that is efficient in energy usage, has low centre of mass and good weight distribution, therefore better handling. 4 motors will be small each, but you effectively have a 4x4 car with good acceleration and power. larger vehicles have naturally bigger wheels and thus bigger motors inside them. A computer controlled "fly by wire" system like in jets: you push the pedal, while computer decides how much each motor will accelerate depending on relevant factors (turning, ground contact, etc).

I really wish I could build the electric car of my design one day. I guess I should re-educate myself to mechanical engineer first though.
And when you change the wheels for the winter....

...you also dump in a petrol motor and drivetrain

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6027 on: August 30, 2013, 06:15:00 AM »
>Playing 'Tokyo Jungle'.
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>>>Instant death.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6028 on: August 30, 2013, 06:37:05 AM »
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6029 on: August 30, 2013, 06:38:26 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.

Spend some money and buy some? Or just fucking spam that shit and get hated on by every community.

I'm gunna leave you anyway.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6030 on: August 30, 2013, 06:42:37 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.

Spend some money and buy some? Or just fucking spam that shit and continue to get hated on by everyone community.
ftfy, Honestly Meomix I am in full agreement with metro if you want more room buy it.

Edit : I don't want to be mean about it but, I just don't see it playing out well.... again. :-\
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6031 on: August 30, 2013, 06:51:46 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.

Spend some money and buy some? Or just fucking spam that shit and continue to get hated on by everyone community.
ftfy, Honestly Meomix I am in full agreement with metro if you want more room buy it.

Edit : I don't want to be mean about it but, I just don't see it playing out well.... again. :-\

You fixed nothing you just broke something.

I'm gunna leave you anyway.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6032 on: August 30, 2013, 06:54:05 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.

Spend some money and buy some? Or just fucking spam that shit and continue to get hated on by everyone community.
ftfy, Honestly Meomix I am in full agreement with metro if you want more room buy it.

Edit : I don't want to be mean about it but, I just don't see it playing out well.... again. :-\

You fixed nothing you just broke something.
I don't know why but I have just had a really off day.... :(
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6033 on: August 30, 2013, 07:11:28 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.
I'm actually surprised there isn't a 'referral forum' where folks circle jerk referral codes to boost their shit.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6034 on: August 30, 2013, 07:13:13 AM »
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6035 on: August 30, 2013, 07:43:20 AM »
I imagine they could have toll roads where you pay a fee to go on the road and then it recharges your car while you're on it.

Or maybe it has a device that has a unique identifier registered with the DMV and it only activates to charge if that matches an acceptable one and maybe they just send you a bill at the end of the month or something.

Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.

Just put it in your sig. If you spam it then chances are a lot of people will either not sign up or sign up without your code just to spite you because of the annoyance.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6036 on: August 30, 2013, 07:44:50 AM »
3tb hard drives are only like 100 bucks now.

Even I can afford that...

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6037 on: August 30, 2013, 08:29:54 AM »
Neat car.

Way the fuck out of my price range though.

Never really understood this whole obsession with electric cars and how they're supposedly better for the environment when the electricity used to power them comes mostly from coal and other things that are just as bad.

There will be one in the $30k range in around 2015 or so, it's codenamed Tesla Bluestar right now I believe.

And: http://teslarumors.com/USA-Residental-Energy-Cost-2011-by-State.html

If you compare like 15-30mpg and gas prices of like $3.75/gallon; 300/15->20=$75, 300/30->10=$37.50. We did 300 miles there btw, since that's the highest estimates on the Tesla page. In my state it'd be only $9.45 for 300 miles with a Tesla car compared to $75 with a 15mpg car or $37.50 with a 30mpg car. It'd be as cheap as $8.02 for 300 miles if you lived in Utah.

It looks like a person spends on average $368 per month on gas. So anywho, if you had a 30mpg car it'd be 3.97x cheaper or 7.94x cheaper if you had a 15mpg car. $92 vs $368, or $46 vs $368. That's roughly $276-322 savings per month. Multiply that times 12 and you're looking at saving $3,312-3,864 a year. Average car ownership is about 5 years, so if you own it for 5 years you'd roughly save on gas prices alone $16,560-19,320.

With a normal car? You don't save anything. You pay that much more just to drive it. What's more, you shouldn't ever have to worry about stopping to fill your car up again. You just plug it in when you get home then in the morning every day you'd start with a full tank and I doubt most people drive over 300 miles in a day.

With that said, $30,000 car + $7,500 tax incentive + $19,320 gas savings in 5 years means that you essentially pay $3,180 for the safest car on the road, assuming it matches the Model S's safety ratings which I don't doubt it will. Hard to beat...

I'm telling you, in 5-10 years everyone's going to be doing electric. There'll be no reason not to. Check out their timeline for their supercharger stations: http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

You're kinda unlucky if you're in Europe, unless you live in Norway lol.

Bit late to the convo but eh. A 15mpg car is laughable, if that's what the average American car gets, it's shit. Unless that's euphemism for a tank.

2nd. At least in Europe, something like a 1/3rd of the price of gas is going to cover the infrastructure costs. Going electric now makes you a "freeloader" on the streets. As you don't pay anything to maintain it. In time, the laws will be changed to account for that once a larger part of the population migrates.

3rd. Tax incentives are temporary. As it is now, every single citizen is paying for the electric car to be on the road. That is not going to last.

4th. Resale value. That's a pretty darn important aspect of a cars price and electrics have yet to prove themselves there.

5th. The price of gas will drop like a bucket once you cut demand by such a huge value. Once you add that to the fact that proper modern engines that aren't put in super cars are essentially expected to get 40mpg now and that number is only going to increase in the future.

Running electric is highly advantagous now. It WILL equal out somewhat in those 5-10 years to where the advantage will become debatable, as current electric cars are more equal than others, what concerns the road.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6038 on: August 30, 2013, 08:39:35 AM »
Also highly country dependant.

Finland has pretty high yearly tax for electric vehicles to pay for the infrastructure.
There are no tax incentives for buying one so they are RIDICULOUSLY expensive. Like 50-70k for a housewives go-cart.
Not to mention they suck in general because cold winters plus battery efficiency don't mix.

And as already mentioned, you expect new regular cars to get 45mpg or so.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #6039 on: August 30, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
Do you guys know where i can go and broadcast my copy.com referral code, cause i need more space.
Why not just use mega on the side??

Upload speeds are almost unuploadble + RIAA MIAA Magnets, i might have considered it if mega had saved like 90% of the internet's data.
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