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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7500 on: October 09, 2013, 02:17:00 AM »
Graaah!!! EAC is ripping this Beethoven CD soooooooo slowwwwwww.... stupid sync errors... It's been going 4 hours and it estimates 4 more hours... it's only on track 3 lol, so bad.

Good CD though and it's nowhere else on the net.

There's actually English vocaloids? lol

Yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne0hUu3_zxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jVBJ5bajNo <--butchers sinatra, compare --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtFBRJFN3p8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkex_efXYF0 <--so bad

edit: Also, a skunk just sprayed outside my house and I smell it... it's nasty.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7501 on: October 09, 2013, 02:20:37 AM »
That sounds like really, really bad vocorders.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7502 on: October 09, 2013, 02:43:26 AM »
Yeah, it just doesn't work.

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« Reply #7503 on: October 09, 2013, 03:33:35 AM »
IMO majority of Vocaloid songs are bad. But there are few that easily make up 'Best-Songs-of-all-times' playlist. The voice synthesis is not terrible, the people who can't make use of it are. It's the same way you can't blame the pencil for bad handwriting or a drawing.

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7504 on: October 09, 2013, 03:39:08 AM »
We can't even make synthesizers that do NORMAL speech correctly, well alone singing. The only reason I don't outright dislike vocaloid is that I hope that they are popular and it helps funding and interest in speech synthesis. It'd be nice to one day be able to make a CGI film from home with professional voice actors and actresses in real-time (voxels + speech synthesizers using the best VA's voices). Can you imagine how amazing that'd be? We could have sooo many amazing movies... movies right now cost so much to make but if we could do that... amagad... everyone could have their hand at it.

Heck, I could even have my mudergame news channel thing (VNN, was it?) as an actual animated thing if that ever came to be with the VA's that actually voice the characters in their animes. How awesome would that be?

Well, I can dream. It'd be fun stuff.

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« Reply #7505 on: October 09, 2013, 03:50:46 AM »
Well, yeah. Vocaloid was created well ahead off it's time. Though many voice synthesizers were influenced by it. It might as well be another 10 years till your dream comes true. Hopefully, they won't have given up on vocaloid by then. The company that makes vocaloid i.e.

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« Reply #7506 on: October 09, 2013, 10:03:43 AM »
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« Reply #7507 on: October 09, 2013, 11:31:51 AM »
For the sake of balance, I feel I ought to note that synthesising English speech is significantly harder than synthesising Japanese speech, due to the structure of the language. Japanese is one of the most straighforward languages to synthesise, due to the relatively simple pronunciation and structure.

That said, Vocaloid sounds shit. There's no getting round it. It is slightly better than Microsoft Sam, since there are fewer complexities to deal with than in English, but that's it. I make no comment on the songs themselves - some are doubtless very good (the Bakemonogatari ED theme, which I can never remember the name of, was originally written for vocaloid, by Supercell, but was then sung by an actual singer instead, and it is amazing). But the synthesiser itself is just terrible, from both an aesthetic (which is admittedly somewhat subjective) and from a technical viewpoint. It's not even designed to be technically great in the first place though - it was always intended to be a low-cost, relatively simple consumer product, purely for the consumer market (ie. random people who want to play around with making music in their spare time), rather than any serious artists or companies.

I also don't think it is hugely popular with anyone other than otaku. The character Hatsune Miku is more popular - I think people find her cute (my local Family Mart sells little fluffy Hatsune Miku cushions) - but the actual vocaloid is not widely listened to, as far as I can tell.

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« Reply #7508 on: October 09, 2013, 11:49:06 AM »
Ha! With a sense of humour in an ad, you can sell even the shittiest car. I got some good laughs from this one. (Google translated... badly)
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« Reply #7509 on: October 09, 2013, 12:08:33 PM »
For the sake of balance, I feel I ought to note that synthesising English speech is significantly harder than synthesising Japanese speech, due to the structure of the language. Japanese is one of the most straighforward languages to synthesise, due to the relatively simple pronunciation and structure.

That said, Vocaloid sounds shit. There's no getting round it. It is slightly better than Microsoft Sam, since there are fewer complexities to deal with than in English, but that's it. I make no comment on the songs themselves - some are doubtless very good (the Bakemonogatari ED theme, which I can never remember the name of, was originally written for vocaloid, by Supercell, but was then sung by an actual singer instead, and it is amazing). But the synthesiser itself is just terrible, from both an aesthetic (which is admittedly somewhat subjective) and from a technical viewpoint. It's not even designed to be technically great in the first place though - it was always intended to be a low-cost, relatively simple consumer product, purely for the consumer market (ie. random people who want to play around with making music in their spare time), rather than any serious artists or companies.

I also don't think it is hugely popular with anyone other than otaku. The character Hatsune Miku is more popular - I think people find her cute (my local Family Mart sells little fluffy Hatsune Miku cushions) - but the actual vocaloid is not widely listened to, as far as I can tell.

As someone studying linguistics currently, I can 100% back you up there. Japanese phonology is incredibly well structured, consistent and well, easy compared to English. As shown, machine synthesis of Japanese is far easier than English.

By and large The vocaloid music is good because it's well made in all aspects, not because they used vocaloid. Example: The Madness of Duke Venomania, whilst you may or may not like it, the song is (in the light of musical theory) a sound piece. Similarly many vocaloid songs are theoretically sound in that they are well structured. I can't really go on about this, but perhaps someone who knows more music can help us out?. There is the argument that the somewhat jangly sound informs and is a major aspect of the aesthetic for some songs, but that's a fun discussion for another time. I agree on the ending for Bakemonogatari.

Lastly, I really dunno how popular it is outside of otaku subculture. I mean, from within the fandom it seems like everyone knows about it, but then how could I know how many outside it are aware?
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7510 on: October 09, 2013, 12:19:17 PM »
Too bad their written language is one messy clusterfuck.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7511 on: October 09, 2013, 03:40:20 PM »
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« Reply #7512 on: October 09, 2013, 06:09:37 PM »
Too bad their written language is one messy clusterfuck.

haha Ikr? they took one of the easiest spoken forms and wrote it in one of by far the most complex writing systems.

I mean, my fav 'sort' of writing system is the syllabary, and not many languages lend themselves well to it even though they could in theory... but Japanese has two of them, like a redundant syllabary for pretty much no reason (don't give me that loan word bs, it is genuinely redundant.) Those are only the prolific ones, there's a bunch of kana that barely anyone bothers with.

But even so, not too bad right? FUCK NO. KANJI. Thousands of characters to learn because fuck you. Who thought this was a good idea? A character for every... single... thing? I don't even

Actually it's not horribad. I hear kanji isn't THAT difficult to get down, and besides even in English we eventually construct all the letters in the word as one thing when reading, common words like 'the' are one character in out brains (Albeit, we only need to learn 26 characters, and it's built up in a manner which gives us a hint as to how the word is bloody pronounced.) But no... Switching between systems on the fly

Fuck this shit
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7513 on: October 09, 2013, 06:12:00 PM »
I think Vocaloid is good only because it's different.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7514 on: October 09, 2013, 06:32:02 PM »
Graaah!!! EAC is ripping this Beethoven CD soooooooo slowwwwwww.... stupid sync errors... It's been going 4 hours and it estimates 4 more hours... it's only on track 3 lol, so bad.

Good CD though and it's nowhere else on the net.

What the fuckkkkk! It's been going for over 18 hours and it's only on track 5 with an estimated 99:59:59 remaining... the speed is at 0.0X...

Too bad their written language is one messy clusterfuck.

haha Ikr? they took one of the easiest spoken forms and wrote it in one of by far the most complex writing systems.

I mean, my fav 'sort' of writing system is the syllabary, and not many languages lend themselves well to it even though they could in theory... but Japanese has two of them, like a redundant syllabary for pretty much no reason (don't give me that loan word bs, it is genuinely redundant.) Those are only the prolific ones, there's a bunch of kana that barely anyone bothers with.

But even so, not too bad right? FUCK NO. KANJI. Thousands of characters to learn because fuck you. Who thought this was a good idea? A character for every... single... thing? I don't even

Actually it's not horribad. I hear kanji isn't THAT difficult to get down, and besides even in English we eventually construct all the letters in the word as one thing when reading, common words like 'the' are one character in out brains (Albeit, we only need to learn 26 characters, and it's built up in a manner which gives us a hint as to how the word is bloody pronounced.) But no... Switching between systems on the fly

Fuck this shit

From what I hear from a student studying the Japanese language, Japanese started out with no written language at all but then they were influenced by the Chinese who they heavily traded with and the women made hiragana. And well, the whole thing is China's fault. They could have written with roman characters if they'd had different influences around that time, but nooo... they had to be influenced by the most fucked up written language of all time.

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« Reply #7515 on: October 09, 2013, 06:44:28 PM »
I think Vocaloid is good only because it's different.
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7516 on: October 10, 2013, 12:07:03 AM »
From what I hear from a student studying the Japanese language, Japanese started out with no written language at all but then they were influenced by the Chinese who they heavily traded with and the women made hiragana. And well, the whole thing is China's fault. They could have written with roman characters if they'd had different influences around that time, but nooo... they had to be influenced by the most fucked up written language of all time.

There's actually a pretty interesting debate among linguists about if Nüshu (Chinese syllabary invented by women in secret) influenced the development of hiragana (developed by japanese women but not in secret iirc)
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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7517 on: October 10, 2013, 12:34:11 AM »
I can't seem to learn Chinese written language (to the extent of being literate) for the life of me. :(

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Re: The General Chit Chat Thread 3
« Reply #7518 on: October 10, 2013, 02:35:46 AM »
...this thing hasn't moved from 52.3% the entire day... Oh it's not responding... that's lovely.

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« Reply #7519 on: October 10, 2013, 02:37:41 AM »
I believe it is stuck indefinitely.