The General Chit Chat Thread 3

[froody1911]

Screw you Tiffanys for arguing like this.

I like a lot of old stuff, Led Zep and Black Sabbath are among my favorites, (although yeah Marvin Gaye and Westlife are boring), I like classical and jazz and prog and psych and whatever the fuck you care to think of, and a large part of my library is metal. But I also like modern rock, hip-hop, and a lot of electronic music.

That isn't even the issue here.

The issue is that you can't show enough open-mindedness to let other people listen to whatever the fuck they like without calling it bad. Introducing people to music you feel is better is one thing, but insulting their generation's collective intelligence and saying that you are superior...

Music is a personal choice and tastes are subjective.

I guess this rant is a bit over the top but I really can't stand people with this attitude. They are, unfortunately, all too common.

[Tiffanys]

Modern titles may be debatable but the classics are not. All your butthurt in the world couldn't change that.

That's all.

[Burkingam]

I have always hated the Beatles. People usually look at me weird when I say that, but that's just the way it is. There is no magical button I can press that's gonna make me like them. I don't chose what I enjoy and what I don't. But then I don't judge people who like them.

[Zel47]

What you like is entirely up to you, however that music is not good just because you like it. I like some music I consider to be of pretty shitty musical quality, because I can either relate to it or it has memories/feelings attached to it. Someone can not be wrong for liking or not liking a certain genre/band/song/etc, but if they are referring to how it stands up musically, then yes, they can be totally incorrect. But you can't tell people they are wrong for liking the music they like, as their taste is entirely subjective. Or rather you can but it just sounds silly.

[Tiffanys]

Whether you like the music or not is subjective, but whether it is good or not is isn't, for the classics.

If you, for instance, don't like Beethoven, that's fine. But if you were to say that Beethoven is bad, or shit even, then well... you should be immediately and irrevocably banned from voicing any opinions on music thereafter and all previous musical statements should be considered null and void.

[froody1911]

Modern titles may be debatable but the classics are not.

Umm why? Because more people do like them than don't? DAT LOGIC.

I don't chose what I enjoy and what I don't. But then I don't judge people who like them.

^This is the point.

If you, for instance, don't like Beethoven, that's fine. But if you were to say that Beethoven is bad, or shit even

But somehow you are allowed to say that anything made in the last...what...20 years is bad, or shit even?
Who decides what is "a classic" and how? Apart from each and every person, for themselves?
Does true subjectivity end in the 90s?
How is babby formed?
How do I shot web?

[Tatsujin]

I slept by accident .. again .. urgh, need to change contacts.

[Zel47]

Whether you like the music or not is subjective, but whether it is good or not is isn't, for the classics.

Agreed.

you should be immediately and irrevocably banned from voicing any opinions on music thereafter and all previous musical statements should be considered null and void.

A little harsh for my taste but they do lose some credibility.

But somehow you are allowed to say that anything made in the last...what...20 years is bad, or shit even?
Who decides what is "a classic" and how? Apart from each and every person, for themselves?
Does true subjectivity end in the 90s?
How is babby formed?
How do I shot web?

clas·sic
ˈklasik/
adjective
adjective: classic

    1.
    judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

If something is continually judged by the majority to be superior in quality, over multiple generations, then it is a Classic, by definition.

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Modern titles may be debatable but the classics are not. All your butthurt in the world couldn't change that.

That's all.

This post... What the fuck...

I get the feeling you posted random well known songs so people think you are cool or whatever, still you give off this feeling of synthetically made internet persona whatever you do (atleast I think so).

[Tiffanys]

I'm not even going to bother replying to this line of conversation anymore. You people are becoming borderline retarded.

On the topic of Beethoven though, I found a nice tag editor for batch changing tags. I had the entire 9 symphonies with the artist as "Ludwig van Beethoven - The London Classical Players, Norrington" - couldn't read freakin' anything in the playlist. Renamed all of them at once to just Beethoven and moved that second part down to the Composer. Makes my life a lot easier...

[froody1911]

    1.
    judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

If something is continually judged by the majority to be superior in quality, over multiple generations, then it is a Classic, by definition.

That is indeed what a classic should be, but if you think about it, who does the judging? Music critics, primarily. The opinions of prominent critics affected the opinions and taste of the majority of music listeners throughout most of the record era. However, recently, this has begin to change because we are no longer limited to a small selection of critics, and we can easily access music for free, thanks to the internet.

These days, the only valid criteria for a person to call something a classic is for him/herself to hold it in high regard for a long period of time.

Anyway, even if you want to reject this notion and consider a "classic" a piece of music held in high regard by the majority, that still doesn't validate calling classics untouchable as opposed to newer music.

You people are becoming borderline retarded.

Yes let's resort to calling each other names now.

[Sebur]

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[Zel47]

That is indeed what a classic should be, but if you think about it, who does the judging? Music critics, primarily. The opinions of prominent critics affected the opinions and taste of the majority of music listeners throughout most of the record era. However, recently, this has begin to change because we are no longer limited to a small selection of critics, and we can easily access music for free, thanks to the internet.

These days, the only valid criteria for a person to call something a classic is for him/herself to hold it in high regard for a long period of time.

One persons opinion is near worthless for determining whether music is good or bad, unless that person has been appointed by a majority vote or other respectable means to be representative of a larger population. Solitary opinions have no place when there is factual proof, in this case by definition. As stated previously, if something is continually judged by the majority to be superior in quality, over multiple generations, then it is a Classic.. If something is popular generation after generation then arguing against it's status based on your opinion is just foolish. Now exactly how many generations does something have to survive through to be determined as "Classic"?  Now that is something opinion based to discuss that could prove more fruitful for ironing out the issue.

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Lmao. Saved!

[Tiffanys]

Modern titles may be debatable but the classics are not. All your butthurt in the world couldn't change that.

That's all.

This post... What the fuck...

I get the feeling you posted random well known songs so people think you are cool or whatever, still you give off this feeling of synthetically made internet persona whatever you do (atleast I think so).

Synthetically made persona... don't even like the music that I like... wtf kind of bullshit... Jesus, dude. Really???

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[Tatsujin]

I only slept for few hours ....

Classic orchestra music is awesome. But I don't have any classic music. I only listen to it on the radio or through the interwebz. Jazz is pretty bad ass, too. Me and my ex co-workers used to listen to Jazz riding to and from work more than a decade ago.

[froody1911]

There you go again with that screenshot, trying to impress people online.

One persons opinion is near worthless for determining whether music is good or bad, unless that person has been appointed by a majority vote or other respectable means to be representative of a larger population. Solitary opinions have no place when there is factual proof, in this case by definition. As stated previously, if something is continually judged by the majority to be superior in quality, over multiple generations, then it is a Classic.. If something is popular generation after generation then arguing against it's status based on your opinion is just foolish. Now exactly how many generations does something have to survive through to be determined as "Classic"?  Now that is something opinion based to discuss that could prove more fruitful for ironing out the issue.

You seem to be missing what I'm really trying to say: Whether or not something is "classic" by the dictionary definition has no bearing on whether or not any given person ought to consider it good.

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Where did you find this? XD

[Tiffanys]

I never liked most Jazz or Blues myself personally. Too slow and/or sad in general. There is some I like though - Dave Matthews for instance.

That's actually why I don't like most country... sad as fuck. Lose their pet, lose their house, wife kicked them out, it's raining on them, blah blah... The only sad country song I like is Johnny Cash - Hurt, it's a NiN cover but Johnny made it his own... and holy fuck I can't listen to that and watch that video without bawling. He kills it.

There you go again with that screenshot, trying to impress people online.

More like defending myself. The only caveat is that I didn't include a bunch of stuff I listen to that I wouldn't show people and stand by as good music - stuff like Brittney Spears, Gwen Stefani, Katy Perry, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Girls Generation, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, 2pac, 3 Doors Down, Eminem, etc.

I'll just say it straight up though: I don't even consider that electronic thumping shit to be music.

[Tatsujin]

I never liked most Jazz or Blues myself personally. Too slow and/or sad in general. There is some I like though - Dave Matthews for instance.

That's actually why I don't like most country... sad as fuck. Lose their pet, lose their house, wife kicked them out, it's raining on them, blah blah... The only sad country song I like is Johnny Cash - Hurt, it's a NiN cover but Johnny made it his own... and holy fuck I can't listen to that and watch that video without bawling. He kills it.

There you go again with that screenshot, trying to impress people online.

More like defending myself. The only caveat is that I didn't include a bunch of stuff I listen to that I wouldn't show people and stand by as good music - stuff like Brittney Spears, Gwen Stefani, Katy Perry, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Girls Generation, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, 2pac, 3 Doors Down, Eminem, etc.

I'll just say it straight up though: I don't even consider that electronic thumping shit to be music.

Are you saying Electronic/House/Trance is not considered as music?

[Zel47]

Jazz is pretty bad ass, too. Me and my ex co-workers used to listen to Jazz riding to and from work more than a decade ago.

I sadly haven't listened to much Jazz, it's hard to find time to dive into a new genre of music when there's so many anime related media options occupying my time. xD

Speaking of which, I watched you're new Photoshop vids and they inspired me to update from my ancient CS3 to try my hand at some possible ava/sig designing. I'm quite bad however, and even just blatantly copying effects I saw used, I was only mildly happy with the results. Oh and a suggestion, it would be interesting to see a side by side before and after once you finish editing, since it can be a bit hard to gauge just how much it has changed when you're watching it done bit by bit. =D

You seem to be missing what I'm really trying to say: Whether or not something is "classic" by the dictionary definition has no bearing on whether or not any given person ought to consider it good.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Whether or not something's classic by definition has no bearing on whether or not they should LIKE it. As that is their opinion and you are free to like whatever you want. It absolutely IS good("superior in quality") if it's classic by the dictionary definition though. Unless you are disagreeing with the definition itself?

[Tiffanys]

I'll just say it straight up though: I don't even consider that electronic thumping shit to be music.

Are you saying Electronic/House/Trance is not considered as music?

No; I'm saying that I don't consider it music.