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flyawave:

--- Quote from: SirSkyRider on June 08, 2013, 08:48:36 PM ---Anything you might want to add?

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well you covered all the bases, I would however like to add...

ESCAFLOWNE AND COWBOY BEBOP ARE INCREDIBLE. They were on at around the same time in the UK as they were for you... with the same problem of late night airings/censorship etc.

As for the steady decline in quality... I will be honest a bit of moe here and there is great, but the sheer shitstorm of moe-shit now-a-days is just horrendous. That, coupled with retarded amounts of "fan service" (Truly a disservice to this fan,) and giant jelly boobs just... sends off a bad vibe. Picture sums it up

SirSkyRider:
The term "fan service" in and of itself is stupid the way it is utilized right now. "Fan service" to me is something like the scene in Super Mario RPG where Samus is sleeping in a bed and when you talk to her she demands you let her sleep because she's preparing for a battle with the space pirates.  ;D Not pantyshots.

@LillyTown: Oh boy... as much as I too don't mind moe, it's just plainly overdone these days. The shows you mentioned are actually good stuff with somewhat interesting plots (only concerning Precure and Nanoha) or characters (K-On's characters are pretty well-made), but jeeves... watching anime just for the sake of cute girls... nah, thanks. No amount of cutesy can excuse for generic characters and/or a shitty plot.

LillyTown:

--- Quote from: SirSkyRider on June 08, 2013, 09:41:19 PM ---
@LillyTown: Oh boy... as much as I too don't mind moe, it's just plainly overdone these days. The shows you mentioned are actually good stuff with somewhat interesting plots (only concerning Precure and Nanoha) or characters (K-On's characters are pretty well-made), but jeeves... watching anime just for the sake of cute girls... nah, thanks. No amount of cutesy can excuse for generic characters and/or a shitty plot.

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There's plenty of shows with little to no emphasis on moe, I don't see a few 'moe shows' here and there as a problem. Any character is gonna be either generic or pandering, it's all been done before. Even shows espoused as being unique or different usually just throw some twist on a formula; Nanoha puts magical girl themes in a shounen show or vise versa, however you wanna look at it. Madoka puts a dark and 'realistic' spin on a magical girl show. It's like you've had peanut butter and you've had jelly.... now try a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!
Anyway, there's no show that consists of just pure, concentrated moe with no plot and you can only judge a plot subjectively or objectively by sales/popularity. I know a lot of people don't like slice-of-life shows and call that a 'shit plot' or 'no plot' but I like 'em and clearly a lot of people do. It comes down to different tastes; some people prefer vanilla to chocolate and wouldn't it be foolish to say vanilla is a lesser flavor?
Now what IS fact is that attractive characters are more likeable and sell better. Cute characters clearly aren't right for every show but they do improve some. You seem to like Nanoha and PreCure; wouldn't those shows suck if they used unattractive characters? By the same token, wouldn't Ninja Scroll or Berserk, etc. be junk if they used moe girls?

megido-rev.M:

--- Quote from: Tatsujin on June 08, 2013, 11:56:01 AM ---Are you guys just happy with the media itself altered or unaltered? Or do you like excellent quality type versions with extra media and materials within your purchase?

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Unaltered, or one can do the math himself since it's his money/want.


tl;dr

SirSkyRider:
@LillyTown: By "generic characters and shitty plot" I was (more or less) concentrating on what I called

--- Quote ---the umptillionth generic high school action harem comedy series
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and really... what these are doing is just not good. Look at any in first episode or even the intro of such a series and if you look at the characters – especially the female ones – you can pretty much tell who fits which stereotype (tsundere etc.) and quite frankly, it is not a good sign for the plot either because these characters are very likely to be built around that trait and then nothing else or you get to hear a shit ton of backstory because otherwise they can't make them stand out. Also, in these stories, the plot is mainly an excuse for the creator to bring a bland harem story in which the actual plot is overshadowed by one question alone: "Who does the main character end up with?"

Now I do agree with you that you can't work without these stereotypical characters to a certain extent and that many plots have already been done before, if you boil it down to the most basic level. And I'm actually pretty much OK with that. BUT. Even with these, it is entirely possible to create an immersive experience that doesn't leave the viewer thinking: "Wow, this is boring". K-On does this very well. Its characters are pretty much stereotypical, but here, it does not make them boring, since – as a matter of fact – none of them are complete anime cliché characters. There's a bit of these clichés in there, but never too much and the way they act is something that gives you a point of reference because you can relate to these characters either by reflecting on your own behaviour or that of people around you, be it consciously or subconsciously.

Also, yes, attractive characters are a selling point. But, I do not define "attractive" solely by looks, but also by how well they are executed. And if the latter is lacking, I stop caring. Heck, there are shows I dropped because they were lacking in that department. Because if I want just to look at some eye candy, I go to any anime image board like gelbooru, spend about half an hour there and then I have my fix of visual attractiveness. I don't need to waste six hours on a show just because the characters are good-looking.

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